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What kind of herps can live with together?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Hide Clyde, Apr 24, 2005.

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  1. Hide Clyde

    Hide Clyde Elite Member

    I see a lot of posts asking if this herp can live with that herp and the answer is generally no. I'm going to ask the question in reverse. What kinds of herps CAN live together?
  2. Bitis Gabonica

    Bitis Gabonica Elite Member

    Ones that are of the same species, is the easy answer! :)

    Some herps can be kept together, or are often kept together by people with no problems, however this is a tricky process, where all species needs must be met with precision, and you really need to know what you are doing and take great care in what you are doing.

    It's not just that different species require different housing or feeding needs, but also some species carry pathogens that are not affective to them but will affect other species and cause disease, for instance boas and pythons should never be kept together because of this.
  3. rbl

    rbl MacGyver in real life

    I'm not really sure but I believe amphibians in general are the ones with more compatibility between species.

    As for reptiles, I would not do it unless we were talking about 2 vegetarian species and mixing an arboreal with a "ground" (can't remember the correct term) species.
  4. geckoguy14

    geckoguy14 Elite Member

    some small amphibian species can be housed together. Some species of dart frogs are ok together. Other than that, not many herps should be mixed. I would never do it myself, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been done successfully before.
  5. furryscaly

    furryscaly Elite Member

    Generally mixing species is never recommended, just to avoid any complications. The cage size has to meet both their requirements, the diet of both must be the same and same sized prey, the animals themselves must grow to compatable sizes, their temperaments must get along, heating lighting and humidity must be the same, habitat has to match, plus there's diseases that could pose problems.

    However, that said, I'm going to be honest, if you can f=create a habitat that suits more than one species, it can be pulled off. Although I don't recommend it to other keepers, I myself keep community herp tanks.

    Some that can easily be kept together are green anoles (Anolis carolinensis) and brown anoles (Anolis sagrei). However, if you have two males, then no, you can't keep them together, so its not like just cause the species in general will get along, doesn't mean you can automatically keep them together with no problems. Long-tailed grass lizards can often be kept with anoles, IF you provide the necessary habitat requirements, and have a large enough ebclosure. While the anole is arboreal, the grass lizard is not.

    Many amphibians have identical care requirements, and so can be housed together. Back home in ND, tiger salamanders and northern leopard frogs share the same habitat, so in an enclosure, as long as you have both deep water and land for the frog, and plenty of hiding places for the sally, they can be housed together safely, as long as the individual animals are of appropriate sizes. If the frog is too small the sally will eat him, or at least attempt to. Many turtle species can be easily housed together too, as long as their diets, heat requirements, and sizes don't conflict.

    Basically, most herps should not be housed with other species, and even the ones that can require that all fields of care match. Its more complicated than housing same species together, so to avoid the potential problems of community cages, I just don't recommend even trying.
  6. WingedWolf

    WingedWolf Elite Member

    The three species I've seen cited most often as being compatible--IN a very large terrarium, generally a naturalistic display tank of considerable size--are house geckos (Hemidactylus frenatus), green anoles (Anolis carolinensis), and longtailed grass lizards (Takydromus sexlineatus).
    Brown or bark anoles could be substituted for the green anoles, but I would not recommend mixing anole species, unless you do not have a male at all. Males of one species may try to mate with females of the other, and this is rather stressful for the females. (Nor have there been any reports of successful hybridization). Male anoles of any species will fight with one another--the dewlaps and the body postures are too similar. In an extremely large enclosure, small tree frogs may do all right--but keep in mind that frogs are actually very aggressive animals.

    A community enclosure must have PLENTY of cover. Ample hiding spaces for all of the individuals, and visual barriers such as live or fake plants in profusion. The individuals must all be quarantined seperately in advance, and cleared of parasites.
    You'll need to feed once during the day for diurnal species, then again after lights out for the nocturnal species.
  7. Hide Clyde

    Hide Clyde Elite Member

    Cool! :cool: You guys answered my question! :D I also asked this same question on another forum and was told that none could live together. :confused: I really just wanted to know the answer since I have seen the question so many times. Thanks! :D I didn't know that boas and pythons should never be kept together! Just one more bit of info to file away. My wife already tells me I have too much info like that stored in my mind! :p
  8. deltro_star

    deltro_star Elite Member

    I asked a similar question In the housing forum about keeping a community of herps its sounds like its really not a good idea in general unless you're an expert on all species being mixed and you have to take allot into consideration ,Cody brought up a good point when he gave an instance of a Gecko eating large Crickets and a bite from a large cricket could infect and eventually kill a dart frog so its not only a question of two species being compatible but are their environments and needs Indentical.
  9. Mark

    Mark Elite Member

    Well the only true vegetarian lizard I can think of is a green iguana (iguana iguana)and these guys can be dangerously territorial against anything. Last summer my ig claimed the backyard, well more like the whole lawn, as his territory and would chase anything that entered it. I watched him chase off finches, pigeons, ducks, rabbits, even a small puppy. Ultimately he decided I was a threat and charged me getting a glancing blow on my shoe. He cut that shoe something proper putting three slashes each about an inch long in the well polished leather; those were good shoes and the cobbler said that they were such that the damage was not repairable.
  10. samantha

    samantha Elite Member

    i also heard that when they are both similarily sized, green treefrogs and grey treefrogs could be housed until the green treefrog is bigger than the other, then he casn hurt the grey one.....could be wrong like i said it was something i heard. i havent tried it, i didnt know salamanders and leopard frogs could be housed together, tiger salamanders, what abouyt spotted salamanders? can they be housed with anything?

    yes once the iguana of the house has its claimed territory, ours would defend his property from the cats, dogs and anyone except me, by giving a good whipping with his tail, esp. if the kitties are playing swats with his tail.......and he pretty much claimed the canned goods cabinet, with green beans, corn and anyhting else he would decide was food for him and no one else.....quite the characters.
  11. furryscaly

    furryscaly Elite Member

    Yeah, I've housed greens and greys together sucessfully. Parts of their home ranges overlap, and they get the same size, share the same habitat, and eat the same food. Its basically like housing two greens together, only one happens to be a different species.

    As for the spotted sally, well, I'm not trying to promote community tanks, but you'd just have to look for amphibians of similar sizes, habitats, and diets really. If you could find another salamander or frog species that shares its home range, and provided the proper housing requirements for both, it should work out.
  12. samantha

    samantha Elite Member

    thats kool, i have one out of the water now, and one more should be out by thursday! i would like to get a green treefrog but wasnt sure abotu that so that is good to know, thanks :)
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