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Superworms As a Staple

Discussion in 'Water Dragons' started by sooperdave, Dec 18, 2008.

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  1. sooperdave

    sooperdave Elite Member

    Lately I have been feeding my dragon mealworms and superworms as a staple. He has become disinterested in crickets since he has been eating them primarily for about 8 months. He is loving the worms though and I do dust them. What is a good amount to feed him each day? I usually give him as many as he will eat, when he loses interest I stop.
     
  2. Freihto

    Freihto Elite Member

    Well, how big is he compared to the worms? I normally feed my pets (except for my snake) 25-50% their abdomen size, so for my frog, I go 4 crickets, and my sxolotls, i normally give them 4-6 rosie reds depending on the fish size. And I only feed them twice a week. Snake gets 2 fat slugs a week.

    Hope I helped a bit :)
     
  3. sooperdave

    sooperdave Elite Member

    The dragon is about a foot or so and the worms are giant meal worms an superworms, so they are around 1 5/8" long.
     
  4. Dragoness

    Dragoness Elite Member

    You can also try earthworms and cockroaches - my dragon goes gaga over them.
     
  5. Freihto

    Freihto Elite Member

    4-6 of each seems fine, but i wouldn't feed him daily, and don't dust them for every feeding either (you didn't say you were, I'm just pointing it out). If he pukes, feed him less, if he seems sickly or thin, feed him more. Occasional over/underfeeding won't hurt him permanently, as long as you don't over/under-do it. I definitely suggest roaches though, and earthworms are fun too, free if you can catch them as well ;)
     
  6. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    Feeding insects from outside is never a good idea. You have no way of knowing what sort of nasty stuff that they have been exposed to.
     
  7. wildheart

    wildheart Elite Member

    I did allot of research on the super worms and they are not the best source of food. Low calcium and high fat content. I told my vet on Saturday that my dragons only wants to eat super worms, nothing else interest them!

    He said it is fine but I should start breeding the worms because the small worms is much more nutritious and their fat content is lower. He also mentioned a very important fact, he told me to buy a scale and weigh my reptiles, snakes included, at least once a week. They grow for the rest of their lives and therefore they should NEVER loose weight. He said that the moment that they loose weight then you know something is seriously wrong.

    I feed my dragons as much as they want. Only right in the beginning when they first taste the super worms they might over eat because they are sooo delicious. After that they only eat what they need.

    Scale down on the mealworms, they are very hard to digest.
     
  8. schlegelbagel

    schlegelbagel Frog Lover Premium Member

    Meal worms aren't hard to digest as long as you keep the temps where they should be.
     
  9. wildheart

    wildheart Elite Member

    Nothing wrong with difference of opinion, I am just saying what our herp-vet said. I'm rather safe than sorry.
     
  10. dannigd

    dannigd Elite Member

    Earthworms provide a lot of calcium so if you can I would feed them to your dragon. Keep in mind you can buy them online and get them at various stores.
     
  11. titus

    titus Elite Member Premium Member

    Item DM CP EE ASH ADF GE
    Cricket, domestic, adult 31.0 64.9 13.8 5.7 9.4 5.34
    Mealworm larvae, king 40.9 45.3 55.1 2.9 7.2 7.08
    Mealworm larvae, king, hi-Ca diet 42.2 38.9 45.4 3.5 7.7 6.79

    Super worms really aren't much diffrent than crickets a little less protien but lower on chitin and a higher cal level.

    Ref:http://www.nagonline.net/Technical%20Papers/NAGFS00397Insects-JONIFEB24,2002MODIFIED.pdf

    Well, never is a bit of a stretch there are times when a reptile will lose weight and be perfectly healthy, ie. breeding, brutmation, just the breeding season alone causes most males to stop eating.

    In reality they are easier to digest. Super worms (Zophobas morio) are lower in chitin than mealworms (Tenebrio molitor) and crickets.

    Edit: spelling
     
  12. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    LOL! I think that you mean "chitin"!
    Chitlins are fried pig intestines!

    But I agree. It is erronious to say that a healthy reptile will never lose weight.
    You've obviously never seen a green iguana after laying eggs.
     
  13. titus

    titus Elite Member Premium Member

    Yes, how did I ever make that mistake. Maybe I should cut down on the coffee.
     
  14. sooperdave

    sooperdave Elite Member

    I like the Phoenix worms too. Its just too bad they don't have them at petsmart. It's about time to reorder some online ;)
     
  15. Vegetasmom

    Vegetasmom Elite Member

    I love the PW too. I feed them as a staple with crickets 3x week to mix it up just a little. I know the Petco near me sells 'calicum worms' but they are waaay more expensive than what I pay for my PWs....they wanted $3 for 25 :eek: They do look very similiar; I guess you could call them PW knockoffs...lol

    I opened the container just to make sure they looked ok and they were all dead. The manager said "oh they just look like they're dead"......uuumm not when there's no moisture in the cup and everything in it looked like a dark brown rice crispy...:D
     
  16. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    Sort of reminds me of the Monty Python's Parrot routine.
    "Oh! He's not dead,.... he's just very sound asleep!"
     
  17. Zhaodi

    Zhaodi Active Member

    I fed Zhaodi earthworms this summer (easily acquired), with other things like super worms and horn worms. Now it's winter and he absolutely will not eat the crickets (200 I have breeding). While he loves superworms, I found the earthworms/nightcrawlers are loved even more and I think more nutritious. Only problem is now I have to order worms since the ground isn't giving us his majesty's feast.
     
  18. Dragoness

    Dragoness Elite Member

    you could hit up a local bait shop for worms.
     
  19. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    And I advise against feeding wild caught insects.
    You never know what they have beeen exposed to. Even if you don't use chemicals in your yard the neighbors may and rainwater can carry it to your property. In my opinion it just is not worth the risk.
     
  20. sooperdave

    sooperdave Elite Member

    Yea, but no bait shops around here. I'm in the city.
     
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