So it's not that you guys are against taming, there's just a different method you guys prefer, somewhat like taming a squirrel in a park to take almonds from your hand. So you guys aren't saying handle never/wild forever, you're saying handle when adult/on adults own terms. If baby is not handled, adult will more likely want to be handled on own terms? If the baby is handled that makes it become sick and fat later? What I meant is the bias of this forum. Countless sources say to handle babies a lot before they don't want to be held, like i feel like i'm running out of time if this little dude starts growing, i don't want to regret not handling it if it would've nurtured a more desirable outcome for how I wanted him trained. I don't want it to be like "Aww man, he wouldn't be like this had i handled him a lot when he was younger, why didn't I search for more perspectives," as this forum is very one-sided on the perspective of handling, so far. This is why i'm saying there's no debate about it, for you guys. What I'm saying is there seems to be a line drawn in the sand, everyone on one side tames their monitors and probably doesn't listen to people like on this forum, and everyone on the other side is really impersonal with their monitor and clearly doesn't listen to people that are not on this forum. Everyone on my original feed said "ignore youtube, ignore all books other than the sacred Daniel Bennett book", and before i finished reading it, even the sacred Daniel Bennett book said to handle before it's too late!! Just another author saying "Get it used to people if it's going to be around people!" As soon as i quote him all of a sudden the book is out of date when before i even bought it everyone on this forum was saying it's the only book i should read and it's the only thing that's current! So if my goal remains to get to where you are with this species at 3:55 but with my savannah monitor, I'll be better off? This is what I'm after!! That monitor looks alert and alive but also mellow towards humans! Not only that his belly isn't dragging on the ground! I don't need to handle mine as a baby to achieve this later? just to be clear, you guys aren't saying don't handle, you're saying don't grab out of tank? So as long as he feels safe enough to climb onto me, i've succeeded?