I do not want to remove any more posts from this thread but I will. No one needs to call others liars and no one needs to assume they have all of the answers. Rodents are considered an unnatural prey item for Savs in the wild. Everyone agrees that in the wild their primary diet consists of invertebrates. As noted, the insects in those locals are adequate for the savs and they thrive on them. Do they occasionally eat rodents? Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't. Being opportunistic I doubt they would snub their nose at an easy meal if they were hungry. Do I think they eat them regularly in the wild, no I do not and neither does Daniel Bennett. Is there evidence that a Sav fed rodents will die sooner than one who is fed exclusively insects? I haven't seen it yet and that is what I wish to see. This is very much like the argument we had years back regarding iguanas eating meat. It was believed that animal protein caused renal failure but for years there was no data to back it up other than people reporting their iguanas dieing suddenly and each of them having the same story. Now we know better because research has been done. There needs to be some research done in order to find out if we are looking at the same issue with Savs and a rodent diet. Until that is done and something concrete is published, we are all speculating. I have argued this argument with iguanas and I was against animal protein. I personally don't believe that a diet primarily consisting of inverts but also including rodents is going to harm a healthy Sav who has proper temps, hydration, lighting and enclosure size. The biggest problem with rodents is that they have a much higher fat content than inverts. They also have a much higher protein and calcium content. A healthy and well exercised Sav who is not being overfed will be able to metabolize the fat and convert it to energy, just like humans can. The problems arise when the Sav is under exercised or overfed. Just like with humans, a high fat diet will result in medical issues. These are not debatable facts. Fat that is stored and causing obesity, in any species, will result in medical issues. Heck, humans die from heart attacks from it. If someone were to feed a diet exclusively of rodents and the Sav was not getting enough exercise or had improper temps, it WOULD become an issue. I personally wouldn't feed a Sav a diet that was exclusively rodents. Since I know their diet primarily consists of inverts I personally would try to offer a diet closest to that. I would however offer occasional rodents because they have great nutritional value for healthy savs. Inverts however would be the base of the diet, for me anyways. As the care guide states, this is going to be the choice of the owner. I need to see studies to dispel husbandry. I can't just take the word of someone against it when there are breeders who feed rodents regularly without documented or public issues. Those against rodents need to make some contacts to try and get some studies done. If some have been done and are buried on the net, link me to them! I have no issue adding info to the site that contradicts other info on the site. The idea is to learn and educate one another. People need to make their decisions based on what's out there. right now rodents are considered safe by the vast majority of owners and are utilized by captive breeders. That tide can and will change once information surfaces that proves they shouldn't be fed.