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Discussion in 'Snakes - General' started by TJOHNSON722, Jul 10, 2013.

  1. Vers

    Vers Elite Member

    Looks like a Common water snake to me as well...a favorite food item for some :D

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  2. JoeyG

    JoeyG Subscribed User Premium Member

    Finally got on my computer. I stand by my first thought and say it's simply a water snake :)
  3. methos75

    methos75 Elite Member

    Water Moccasins aren't native to anywhere since there is no such thing, its just a idiotic redneck inbred term that was made up to collectively define all Water Snakes. The proper term is Cottonmouth Snake. God I hate hearing Water Moccasin.
  4. TJOHNSON722

    TJOHNSON722 Elite Member

    Hey, no name calling! I am from the country. Not inbred though I swear. Lol. My husband is a redneck. Literally as redneckish as they come. :) Even the Ohio Department of Natural Resources names them. Wierd.

    The cottonmouth is widely referred to as a water moccasin. Literally also known as - type thing. Wikipedia, National Zoo among many others recognize water moccasin as another name. I swear I'm not new at this and did know that.
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  5. methos75

    methos75 Elite Member

    Maybe, but specialist and Herpetologist do not
  6. Poison

    Poison Elite Member

    Sure about that? "Water Moccasins" is just another common name for them. It is not the "Wrong" name. If somebody was using a different scientific name then thats different.
  7. Ieasa

    Ieasa Elite Member

    Well I am terribly sorry to offend you.
  8. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    Alright, THATS enough of the name calling! If you can't post politely,...don't!
    Whether YOU like it, or not, the name "water moccasin" is widely used and commonly accepted everywhere that this species lives. Even being listed that way in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
    As well as Cottonmouth water moccasin, Western Cottonmouth, Florida Cottonmouth, etc, and just cottonmouth or moccasin.
    I have never heard then referred to as a "Cottonmouth Snake".

    And it does refer to a specific snake, not all water snakes.
    Except with those to whom all snakes are venomous.
  9. Runningmom

    Runningmom Elite Member

    There are many many many snakes down in that area. Southern Ohio has a lot more critters we don't have here in the middle of Ohio lol. They have bears even. Never seen any here. My neighbor said she saw a coyote this morning in our neighborhood. With lots of houses. We have woods, fields, enough of the prey for it to eat but I don't like hearing that a coyote was that close.
  10. TJOHNSON722

    TJOHNSON722 Elite Member

    You can have the big predators while they are beautiful, they're a tad scary. Coyotes killed two of my aunts dogs a while back. Were encroaching on thier turf, but that's another story/thread?? entirely. Only seen a bear once from afar. However apparently people's been seeing mountain lions lately.

    It didn't bother me (the name calling) its just this is a family site. What are we teaching if we talk like that? I didn't mean to start anything.
  11. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    Well it bothered ME! You didn't start anything. We just aren't going to tolerate that behavior. As you said, this is a family oriented site and it WILL be kept friendly. We can have a discussion without resorting to that type of behavior.
  12. JoshuaJones

    JoshuaJones Banned User

    Actually, rednecks (idiotic, inbred, or otherwise) had nothing to do with the name. They got that name from one of the Cottonmouth's relatives, the Northern Copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix mokasen). The name originated (in one spelling or another) from Algonquin and Ojibwa tribes located on the East coast. It's only fitting that their word for the snakes was adopted by the European settlers. The Cottonmouth bears a similar pattern and physiology to that of the Copperhead. Combine that with it's aquatic nature and you have a pretty good reason to call this snake a Water Moccasin.

    Yes, lack of knowledge leads some people to misidentify Water Snakes as Water Moccasins (much the same as it leads some people to confuse a scientific name for the actions of but that is why education is so important in this hobby. Most people have no idea whether a snake is venomous or not. Even the original poster didn't know for sure that this Water Snake wasn't a Cottonmouth. They did the right thing by seeking out knowledge. We, in turn, must do the right thing by providing knowledge when and where we can, without disparaging those who don't know as much about reptiles.

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