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Horribly bad shed!

Discussion in 'Rhacodactylus' started by Goge, Jun 30, 2005.

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  1. Goge

    Goge Active Member

    a week ago i noticed my crested was about to shed. she was doing the colour change thing. but what was peculiar was that it was parts of her body that would change colour. like the head and hind legs down but the torso was still vibrant orange. so i sprayed her and her whole body turned vibrant orange again. but then the next day same deal just in different areas. i sprayed her and she went normal.

    then yesterday i noticed some skin peeling off her and figured she was shedding. but she was making no attempt to take it off. she was just hidding under some moss during the day (which she usually does before shedding.) so i sprayed the moss to give her some extra humidity in this really hot room.

    today i look at her and its like nothing changed. she is peeling at the kneecaps but outwards. so the skin if off the knees but still on the rest of her legs and torso. It looks like some has come off her head but there is still some flakey skin on her eyebrows. her feet look like the may have peeled with a little still attached. i took that skin off myself with the help of some water.

    Stupid **** dry *** summer. and because its so dry i tried to compensate when i made her tank by putting in lots of moss. there are patches of moss in three of the four corners of her tank.

    I wish i had my digital camera so i could show you what she looks like.
    I haven't heard her shed. usually you can hear them pulling at their own skin and eating it.(at least i've heard/seen my two other cresties do that)

    Could it be that she isn't ready to fully shed yet and these are just the peices that are coming off early?
    if not and it is a horrible shed what can i do to help her?

    Any and all help would ease my mind and be much appreciated.
     
  2. CodyW

    CodyW Elite Member

    First, a lukewarm bath or some way to get some water on the skin.

    Second, I would put a moist hide in the tank. Cut a hole in a tupperware and put in some moist moss. My female does all of her sheds inside the box.

    Bad sheds can be a result of many problems. **Don't FORCEFULLY remove the shed**

    Could you give us a rundown on: Diet, temps & humidity, and supplements?
     
  3. Goge

    Goge Active Member

    Crickets mostly but recently mainly/only crickets. they arn't dusted with any supplements. I don't keep a complete record of temps and humidity day by day but the temp in the cage is about 75f during the day, i don't let the temps in the crested cages ever reach 80. the humidity is a lot harder to control and gauge. I'd say its been hard keeping it up for the last two weeks. maybe 45-50 during mid day and 60-65 at night. Its been extremely hot the past week and when i noticed she was shedding i mad it an effort to keep her tank humid. spraying the moss areas and her during the day.

    I bathed her for about 5 minutes (till she looked soaked and exhausted herself trying to escape). that was an experience. and got her a wet hide.
    thanks for the help very much
     
  4. CodyW

    CodyW Elite Member

    You don't dust the crix with Calcium? I've noticed the sheds aren't as easy in females while they're gravitating, possibly due to allocating so many nutrients to the eggs. But it may also be because I breed them in the summer months, when it is hot.

    Do you see any shedding troubles in your other two geckos?
     
  5. Goge

    Goge Active Member

    no my other geckos are fine. even my two chams that are in the same room shed fine. 2:50am (coming back from a pre-canada day par-tay) it looks like she still has some skin that doesn't shed. i'll check again in the morning when i'm more light, and i'm a little more sober
     
  6. Bitis Gabonica

    Bitis Gabonica Elite Member

    Sorry, I'm not crested expert, but surely you know to supplement feeds with calcium and multi-vitamins? Also, a diet of only crickets is not good - you need some variety in there, including fruit and baby food,. your geckos aren't getting the nutrients they need, and whether or not this is lending to the bad shed, it is certainly not going to do them any good in the long run.
     
  7. 7geckos

    7geckos Active Member

    I agree with bitis and chronic supplementation and variety are essentail to all captive animals. provide the moist hide and please please vary your little guys diets. In the long run you will have healthier happier critters. Take care and best luck to you.
     
  8. Goge

    Goge Active Member

    i should have been more specific. they got calcium when they were younger. they are over a year now (more for the elder) and i ran out of the powder and failed to buy more. Figured they weren't being bred anytime soon. Up till a month ago i'd switch meals between babyfood with CGD and crickets. but i ran out of baby food and keep forgetting to get more. as for the vitamin suplements its like $30 for the tiniest bottle. i can't afford that, not for the ammount of it you get.

    they have all had perfect sheds up till now.
    should i bath her again tonight or just leave it up to the hide now?

    thanks for all the help
     
  9. CodyW

    CodyW Elite Member

    Goge, sorry to sound rude but you are depriving your geckos. I got calcium when I was younger too, do I not need anymore? Of course I do, Calcium ions are the most important ions in our bodies, so I'm sure that reptiles have a high demand for them as well. Calcium has alot more to do with reptiles than breeding and bone growth, blood pH, muscle contractions, and neurological functions all need calcium to operate, I wouldn't be surprised if shedding used some too.

    You can get Rep-cal multivitamin for 10$us and the Rep-cal calium usually runs 5$us. I've been using the same bottles since I started keeping and need to get more multivitamin soon, that's 15$ for two years, not too much to ask. I may be frugal with it, but I'm a conservatist.

    If she was that stressed when you bathed her last night, don't. The humid hide and misting will help, make sure that the shed comes off the toes and the eyes-those are the two trouble spots that bad sheds can wreak havoc on.

    Varity is key- either Vosjolli's book or Hamper's book says that in the wild both insects and fruit is found in their fecals usually in equal amounts. Some people feed just insects, some just fruit, and some only CGD, I do all three.

    Please get your gex some supplements. And if the baby food was a pain you can freeze it, that way the jar doesn't go bad or you can just smash your own fruits. I smash a small peice of banana almost every day and offer it, even if I offer crix too.
     
  10. BlackJack

    BlackJack Subscribed User Premium Member

    Ouch

    Nobody wants to hear criticism and this is certainly THE FRIENDLIEST site on the net, but I think every one's main interest is the health and well-being of reptiles. So try not to let our comments bruise your ego... it's not about YOU, it's about the geckos! :D
    Please try to re-focus your attention on the needs of the geckos in your care and put them back on a proper diet regime.
    I recommend keeping an index card taped to the aquariums (or typing up an Excel file in the computer) and getting into the habit of keeping records on things like feeding (type of food and amount), water changes, temp/humidity, shedding, defecation, vet visits/medications, as well as regular intervals of length and weight for EACH of your pets.
    I find keeping daily detailed records enhances my enjoyment of my snakes and it sure helps to have as much information as possible when there's a problem.
    Some people like the fact that many reptiles are "low maintenance" but it can be all too easy to forget about them until there is a problem or illness that catches your attention.
    Good luck and keep us posted on how the little one gets on. :)
     
  11. Bitis Gabonica

    Bitis Gabonica Elite Member

    I am with Cody on this - I don't want to be rude, but 1) your geckos need calcium and vitamins all their lives not just as babies, and 2) IMO, if you can't afford to buy the supplements you shouldn't be keeping the animal.

    You came here for help, and so I don't want to point out all your wrongs and no rights, but you are harming your geckos by not supplementing and providing the right diet. If you a) couldn't afford and b) forgot, to buy baby food and fruit and supplementation, then you should perhaps rethink keeping them. In my books, i chose to keep the animal so they always come first - if i couldn't afford their food i would go without to make sure they got fed.
     
  12. Goge

    Goge Active Member

    No offence is taken.
    as far as I knew things were going swimmingly. I kept the tanks clean, kept the temps and humidity right, always had fresh water and fed them every other day.
    I came asking for help and thats what I got, a little more then I expected but still appreciated. I won't be able to get to a pet store this weekend being a holiday but I'll mash up some fruit I have and offer that.
    as far as giving my babies up, I'd rather loose my left poppa toe, I hear its important.

    once again thanks for all the help and information.
     
  13. rbl

    rbl MacGyver in real life

    A couple of observations:
    - If you want a "no hassle" food for your geckos, the CGD alone is all that your geckos need (at least according to his author) and it is already suplemented with the required vitamins and calcium.
    - If you want to add variety, prepare and freeze some other food, like this recipe and give it alternating with CGD.
     
  14. Bitis Gabonica

    Bitis Gabonica Elite Member

    Goge, that's very respectable of you, and I'm glad you have not taken offence to our comments but rather taken them onboard. Please get hold of the essential calcium and vitamin products and try rbl's advice - makes for an easier life. Good luck with them, and I hope everything's ok with them. How is the female now?
     
  15. CodyW

    CodyW Elite Member

    Any updates goge? How's the little guy doing?
     
  16. eper-ani

    eper-ani Elite Member

    Goge, this shed problem you described and the lack of calcium your rhac has been getting lately sounds like the first signs of MBD, which geckos in the Rhac genus are prone to get if the right amount of calcium is not given. I've had this shed problem once in a gargoyle and it turned out to become MBD. Please respond telling about the behavior of your gecko? Is it lethargic at all? Not really eating or moving?

    Take your gecko some where to get checked out for MBD and if it is the case heres what you should do:

    Don't feed your gecko solid foods such as crickets. Instead go for sofer foods such as mashed fruit, baby food, CGD, etc. Buy calcium powder. I use Sticky Tongue Miner-All. Use the calcium powder on the foods you give your gecko. If you use CGD then you won;t need to add calcium supplement. The reason to not feed solid foods is because the gecko can break its jaw if it tries to bite a cricket. MBD will make its bones very weak. Also buy this stuff call Bone Aid Liquid Calcium, its made by T-rex. This stuff comes in a dropper. Every day give your gecko 2-3 drops of this stuff. No more than that. If your gecko doesn;t want to lick the drops from the dropper, just kinda put the drops on the gecko's snout. As your gecko gets better and become more active, stop with the drops.

    I know you said you don't have money right now to buy calcium supplement but if your gecko has MBD and you don't do this, it will result in death.

    I hope this helps and please update us on your gecko
     
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