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fat tail cross breed?

Discussion in 'African Fat-tailed Geckos' started by jengal, Aug 24, 2007.

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  1. jengal

    jengal Elite Member

    Has any of you heard of a fat tail/leopard hybrid? I got two fat tails from a guy last week, and he said they were cross-breeds. If they are, it's OK with me because they're really neat and I'm getting to know them already, etc. But I couldn't find any info online about this 'cross breed'. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

  2. Moshpitrockchick

    Moshpitrockchick Subscribed User Premium Member

    I've never heard of it, they are related but I don't think they are that closely related considering the fact that they have very different needs.

    I would be interested in seeing pictures though!
  3. kriminaal

    kriminaal HH Block Leader Staff Member Premium Member

    I believe there was a short read on it in a recent issue of Reptiles. I don't remember what was said on the subject though. Perhaps someone call recall the issue. It was in the ask the breeder part.
  4. MoogleBass

    MoogleBass Kittes are so nice! Premium Member

    I have the issue around here somewhere. They are 2 total diffrent genus. So I highly doubt it. Theres a few posts a bout it here. They be a cross morph maybe, like het for something, and hte guy had no idea what he was talking about.
  5. kriminaal

    kriminaal HH Block Leader Staff Member Premium Member

    It was in the March issue. He says he's never heard of anyone who has successfully done it. However it is a possibility but very slim. He says that the level of differences between the two genera is not that strong. Basically someone would have to try to accomplish it. THere's not much chance it could happen on it
    's own.
  6. jengal

    jengal Elite Member

    Thanks for all your interesting input. I'm feeling rather ignorant, because I don't know enough about geckos to figure out what I have. Originally, the seller (a private, wildlife rescuer) told me that the were a fat-tails (I got 2 of them). In fact, that is what I had called looking for. I told her that our former fat-tail had died, and that we wanted to adopt some more. When I saw these two and noted that they had a leopard pattern instead of the standard fat-tail stripes, she said that the leopard-printed fat-tail is very, very rare, but that it does exist.

    Then when I took it to Petco to buy some things, and I showed to the reptile expert there (whom I know well, and respect his opinion) who told me it was a leopard gecko. So I went home and called the seller, who then told me that they were 'definitely fat-tails', but might be a leopard/fat-tail cross-breed. Having looked at many pics of leopard geckos, my geckos looks exactly like them in body and pattern except that mine have a bubble of fat on their tails, just like an african fat-tail. In other words, the tail does not taper like a leopard gecko's (i.e. thick at the base tapering to thin at the end). Rather, these have a tail that's fat at the base, then tapers a little, then gets fat again with a bubble or hump of fat, then continues tapering to the end of the tail.

    If y'all know anything about this, please let me know. I'm trying to find out if the seller duped me. If so, I have a few guesses as to why, but I'd like to have more info before I think such things about someone. Thanks so much for your input!


    Jennifer Gal

    1 Walking toad
    2 Firebellies
    3 African dward frogs (2 albino, 1 green)
    6 baby toads
    1 bullfrog
    2 geckos (breed?) - Noah & Gravy (gray + wavy = gravy. My daughter named it)
  7. kriminaal

    kriminaal HH Block Leader Staff Member Premium Member

    Don't feel ignorant when it come to the topic of hybridization. Not many herpers are well versed in that area. I'd sure like to see some pics of them. The tail issue could simply be that is is a re-grown one having lost the original. They rarely grow back in looking the same. Post some pics if you can as this is getting a little puzzling.
  8. MoogleBass

    MoogleBass Kittes are so nice! Premium Member

    Pictures of the geckos will help a whole lot too in telling you what they are.
  9. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    Regrown tails were my first thought as well.
    Pictures of them will tell.
  10. Rich

    Rich Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    Regeneration is likely the answer. Leopard geckos are autotomous. This means they have the ability to drop their tails when they are threatened or being attacked/mis handled. (Self-amputation of a damaged or trapped appendage.) When the tail regenerates, it grows in very much like a fat tails "bulb". I also believe that you have a leo with a regenerated tail. I would love to see pictures. I could easily confirm it with a visual.
  11. jengal

    jengal Elite Member

    I hadn't considered the self-amputation thing (sounds like a hard core grunge song of some kind). When my husband gets home tomorrow, I'll take pics and post them, although, being new, I'm not quite sure how to do that. I'm sure I'll figure it out. For now, I'm going to search the internet for pictures of leopard geckos with regenerated tails. Should be interesting...

    Thanks again for input. You're an interesting group, which I'm glad to have joined.

  12. MoogleBass

    MoogleBass Kittes are so nice! Premium Member

    I have some pics of my leopard geckos that have regen tails. Ill look around and post them for you


  13. jengal

    jengal Elite Member

    The mystery is solved. On the net, I found several pictures of leos with regenerated tails, and my geckos definitely look like them. The pics you posted confirm my suspicion - the bulbous end of your gecko's tail is exactly what mine have. My question now is, should I care? I like the two we have, and feel attached to them, etc. But it bothers me that this seller, a wildlife rehabilitator, misrepresented them to me. The seller must have known that I'm a novice and figured I'd never know the diff. between a leo w/ regenerated tail and a fat-tail. I only paid $60 for the pair, because it was actually an adoption fee. She said she got them from animal control, who brought them to her for rehab. When our other fat-tail died, we really wanted another one. But if I get one more beyond these guys, that'll be too many, meaning I won't be able to give personal attention to them all. What to do? Any thoughts? -Jen Gal
  14. Moshpitrockchick

    Moshpitrockchick Subscribed User Premium Member

    Leopard geckos are great little lizards, but i'd make sure that you let the rehaber know that she misrepresented them to you. It may be that shes just as ignorant as you were and didnt care enough to research the mystery lizards.

    With that said if you decide to keep them their care is different than that of the AFT so check out our caresheet:
  15. kriminaal

    kriminaal HH Block Leader Staff Member Premium Member

    You paid an okay price for them. If she had charged you for a hybrid price.:rolleyes: Then you would have had to "take care of some business". Still I would take what you know now and let her know your findings. Might as well give her some education in case she comes across another Leo with a regenerated tail.
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