I think this may have been covered a few years ago (maybe I started the thread...), but as I sit here and watch my snakes move around I am wondering something. Snakes thrive in zoos with minimal cover - certainly not the great hides that we provide. The zoos want people to actually see the animals, so they don't give them many places to hide. In addition, a hide doesn't always mean a cave or a hole. Leaf litter is a hide to many snakes - much like the aspen my snakes bury themselves into, and not always under the caves I provide. And, my snakes will often just curl up beside the log in their tub as well - out in the open when a perfectly good home made hide is right beside them. So... Going for visuals in a display cage, how important ARE hides? If the snake can bury under aspen, or curl up beside a log, do we always need to provide caves? Certainly, those that keep their snakes in tight fitting quarters, 28 qt tubs and such, aren't providing the same environment as a forest on the west coast, yet their kingsnakes thrive. I am not taking either side, here. Just thinking out loud and wondering about the care of captive snakes. I will continue to use hides, because the amount of time they ARE in there, I feel good about providing them. But would they be just as "happy" without them? Your turn! What are your thoughts and observations?