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HELP! Corn Snake or Emoryi Rat Snake?

Discussion in 'Corn Snakes' started by Murder Serpent, Feb 5, 2008.

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  1. Murder Serpent

    Murder Serpent Elite Member

  2. BlackJack

    BlackJack Subscribed User Premium Member

    Sorry, what's your question exactly? :confused:
     
  3. schlegelbagel

    schlegelbagel Frog Lover Premium Member

    I think he wants help on identification of the snakes.
     
  4. venus

    venus Founding Member

    Looks like a cornsnake to me.
     
  5. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    I am going with an Emoryi.
     
  6. caudalis_sa

    caudalis_sa Elite Member

    yeah me too... possible hybrid tho. Where you get it from? locality is only defining character, they can really look the same... the dorsal blotches don't really have a strong black outline so thats why i say Emoryi
     
  7. Murder Serpent

    Murder Serpent Elite Member

    Yeah my best guess is she is a rootbeer, Corn & Emoryi hybrid. I bought her from someone who didnt know either.
     
  8. smallgrayfox

    smallgrayfox Contributing Member

    She's beautiful! :) I have a terrible time telling corns from rats from hybrids...
     
  9. venus

    venus Founding Member

    Me to obviously, lol
     
  10. smallgrayfox

    smallgrayfox Contributing Member

    It's good to know I'm not alone in my boat :)
     
  11. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    corns are ratsnakes, but not all ratsnakes are corns!:D
     
  12. titus

    titus Elite Member Premium Member

    Hard to say, If the breeder/seller didn't know than it would be hard to say theres really alot of variation in color in even "pure" corns (if any in the trade a really truly pure. Emoryi was once thought as a sub species of Guttaus so lots of breeding between the two were done). It looks as though it could be a Rootbeer though it could also be a Okeetee. Gene sample or breeding out the albino gene could be the only way to find out as the coloration will be very diffrent in the two species.
     
  13. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    While it is possible that it is a hybrid, it looks very different than what is termed "Okeetee".
    The Okeetee bears red saddles with heavy dark black border and a bright orange background color.
     
  14. venus

    venus Founding Member

    Ok Merlin that was not nice :p Confuse us somemore why dontcha.
     
  15. Merlin

    Merlin Administrator Staff Member Premium Member

    LOL! One of the common names for a cornsnake is Red Ratsnake!
     
  16. kenman1963

    kenman1963 Moderator

    So it's a Racorn ?? As others stated,,corns have been bred to so many morphs that you really cannot tell. When our Okeetee's bred the offspring that did hatch were quite different from one another.
     
  17. caudalis_sa

    caudalis_sa Elite Member

    yeah in the end who really cares? Unless a person is working with pure locality animals all this nonsense is a waist of time lol.... haha maybe just because i am not a corn person ;)
     
  18. titus

    titus Elite Member Premium Member

    I'll agree with a yes/no on this subject. For somone just looking for a snake it doesn't make a diffrence. But for those who wish to breed it's important to perseve the species as it exists in nature. Thus stopping the need for wild caught animals.

    During the 60's and 70's boas were bred in such numbers and with soo poorly that the localities were almost unknown in private collections. It wasn't untill the late 80's that with new wild caught stock and better breeding that boas as they are know from the wild were avalible as captive bred animals to collectors.
     
  19. caudalis_sa

    caudalis_sa Elite Member

    yeah that is why i said we should be working with pure locality in that way. i am all for natural pure locality breeding.When a snakes origin is unknown and breeding has been messed up in that line already...there is no diffrence. unless starting and keeping a pure lineage it is important.
     
  20. CrotalusCo

    CrotalusCo Member

    Hard to tell with the quality of the pics, the last set look like the snake is in shed making it darker.

    It is possible that it is a milksnake phase cornsnake

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    but it may be hybrid
     
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