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Blue Tongue With An Upset Tummy.

Discussion in 'Skinks' started by Snoogz, Mar 30, 2017.

  1. Snoogz

    Snoogz Member

    image.jpeg image.jpeg sorry if this has been asked. I got my eastern blue tongue skink from a reputable breeder about a month and a half ago, I think he's around 3 months old. His poop was runny when I got him but still not overly concerning. The past few days he's had bad diarrhoea (he's just started shedding as well). Still eating but not as much, today he pooped all over his good after he'd eaten half. He eats dog food with peas, spinach/kale, broccoli and other veggies with banana or other fruit as a treat once a week. He also gets garden grubs or earthworms and boiled egg every so often with calcium twice a week (the calcium is a recent thing so I thought it could possibly be a cause?) his tank temp usually stays at around 30 degrees Celsius (I have the thermometer on the cooler side of the tank) humidity is about 70, I have a box of fresh grass and dirt in his terrarium as he loves being in the grass when I take him outside but he has an obsession with eating rocks when he is outside, particularly the quartz in our garden, I won't let him eat any but I've read that it could be due to a vitamin deficiency. His water is changed daily and his terrarium is cleared of any old food or waste. I've also been told it could be from stress, my sister recently bought a slightly larger (than my lizard) northern blue tongue and she brings it around sometimes when she visits. The two of them seem to get in very well (unless there's food involved) and usually lie down together to sleep or bask so we assumed that they were getting on well but my partner suggested that my boy might actually be stressing over another lizard being in his tank. I've spoken to a vet who specialises in reptiles and she wants me to bring him in with a fecal sample but I can't do that until my partner finishes work and gets home with the car so in the meantime is love some ideas as to what might be up with my boy. Photos included, he doesn't look as glorious as he usually does. He's in the midst of shedding.
     
  2. murrindindi

    murrindindi Elite Member

    Hi, can you give me the enclosure size and also how you measure the ambient (air) temp and basking surface temp and the humidity range?
    Putting another Blue tongue in will almost definitely be stressful to both lizards.
    I cannot see a specific basking area, where is it and what brand are the heat/light bulbs?
    Why are you feeding dog food when much of it isn`t even fit for those animals?
     
  3. Snoogz

    Snoogz Member

    I don't have the enclosure measurements and don't have time to find the tape measure right now as I'm just replying quickly while I can. The terrarium size is not an issue anyway as we are in the process of building a larger one for him, he's only small at the moment so he isn't cramped and his basking area is the rock below the heating lamp which he uses. He also comes for a walk around the garden with me everyday so he's not stuck in his tank all of the time. I have a thermostat and humidity reader in the tank to keep an eye on those levels although I'm getting conflicting opinions on the right humidity for a blue tongue both from breeders/other owners and from the Internet. Some people have told me it should be at 80 while others have said 25. When I looked it up I read that it shouldn't be much more or less than 80. I am feeding him dog food against my better judgment and was actually giving him insects and mince with fresh vegetables but then was told by the breeder who sold him to me and various other people that he won't get the nutrition he needs as he needs the vitamins and minerals that he can only get from bones and offal, apparently it's also preferable because BT's have similar dietary needs to dogs. Trust me I've done a lot of research trying to find out why people always suggested dog food as when I worked at the vets I learned that it's not good for dogs either. We routinely removed cysts from dogs which the vet said was caused by the tinned dog food. (I buy the fresh rolls of dog food). I even found some veterinary papers which noted that it shouldn't be given to BT's at all because it causes damage to their kidneys but when I brought it up I was told that the notes were referring to dry dog food. You'll find a majority of breeders and BT owners (in my area at least) feed them dog food. I separated the lizards as soon as I realised that he may be stressed. It seems his tummy issues may have come from the spinach I fed him, he's a lot better now. I was recently told that the breeder I bought him from has previously sold sick animals although I've found no evidence that this is true yet. I used to own blue tongues when I lived in the NT and honestly I feel like a noob again. Up there we didn't have a pet shop so my lizards lived in a large Guinea pig hutch and were fed fresh foods and had access to real sunlight. I'm glad someone else agrees with me about the dog food, I think I will go back to fresh insects and mince. The veterinary files mentioned that red meat should be avoided because they have trouble digesting it so maybe I'll just get some chicken or turkey mince for him.
     
  4. Snoogz

    Snoogz Member

    Ps. The fern isn't usually over his basking rock, I forgot to move it back before taking the photo. The temperature here gets to nearly 40' Celsius sometimes so I don't think he needs the rock to be any higher but that's my opinion.
     
  5. murrindindi

    murrindindi Elite Member

    Are you in Australia, and if yes, which state? I`m from Melbourne but now living in the U.K...
     
  6. Snoogz

    Snoogz Member

    Yep. I am in far north Queensland. You're a long way from home.
     
  7. murrindindi

    murrindindi Elite Member

    It`s late over here I need to log out shortly. I`ll go through the basics quickly: The humidity only needs to range between approx 40 to 60%, hopefully you measure that with a digital hygrometer?
    You need a basking surface temp at approx 38 to 40c, the lowest ambient around 19 to 21c... I would stick to a whole prey diet rather than the meats/mince (protein).
    Is it possible to keep the lizard outdoors, or do you specifically prefer it to be kept inside?
    More later.... Yes, I`m far from home (Nunawading near Melbourne)!! ;)
     
  8. Snoogz

    Snoogz Member

    All good. I'm logging on in between housework and chasing my children around. Lol. Thank you for the info, I do not have a digital hydrometer or thermometer but if you think they are better I'll invest in a couple. I'm quite happy to stick to whole prey, the mince will just be a treat on occasion and the hutch that we are building will be an outdoor enclosure as I'd like him to have everything as natural as possible. Thanks a lot for your response, I'm getting frustrated with people giving me false info, the veterinary files seem to be the most helpful (as they should be). Talk when you have time, get some sleep.
     

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