Here is a good bit of info on this. Remember to act now!

http://www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf

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Just curious..Does any think putting a ban on some exotic animals is a good idea?

I for one, think the way they are harvested is cruel and would be happy if there was less imports in the pet trade. It may increase their cost sufficiently but at least that would discourage buyers who aren't serious about taking care of an animal.

I think endangered species should not be up for import unless certifiably captive bred.

As to the rest, it's a tricky situation:

just because someone has money does not mean they are dedicated to that animals proper care, just that they have money and the desire for an exotic animal.

And just because someone is 'poor' does not mean they can't take good care of an exotic.

It all boils down to education - how much time any given person is willing to put into learning the proper husbandry for that species.

I live in Income-adjusted apartments, the cheapest ones in town, next door to utter trash. Most of my neighbors are dealers, and I get to hear police at all hours of the night. I have to juggle two jobs that are barely above minimum wage just to pay the rent here, yet all of my herps are in good health (and most weeks, they eat better than I do, lol). Anyone who is utterly devoted to their pets could do just as well, no matter the funding available. There are numerous resources available nowadays, people just have to find them and utilize them.

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Only when the last tree has been cut down
Only after the last river has been poisoned
Only after the last fish has been caught
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.

Cree Indian Prophecy.

This is a catch 22 for me. They get you either way. There have already been some serious discussions on this matter I think.

Would it stop some of the suffering, well yes it would, would it solve the problem and stop all of the suffering, no, I do not believe it is capable of that.

I would really love to see this more species specific. Like for instance the green iguana. I am all for any bans on the importation and transporting, and breeding of them.

Or how about the Sulcata tortoise, they are the number one dumped tortoise on rescues. The majority of people who buy those cute little hatchlings cannot handle them when they become earth moving tractors, lol.

The ball python is another one that is constantly dumped on rescues. They are EVERYWHERE!

The common boa, also sold as the red tail boa, but these are not the ones with the desired markings that people pay a lot for and care for.

The burmese python

The reticulated python

Again, two snakes that the majority of people have no business even contemplating that impulse purchase.

Dragoness, you have a very good point in the low income thing. However in my experiences you are the exception to the rule. Your great kind are few and far between.

However with that last statement, they also need to ban cats too!

Some people are just uneducated,

Some people are just lazy,

and some people are downright cruel!

Either way, I think this law will not end ALL the suffering that goes on, it may help some, but it won't solve it all. It will just make it harder for rescues to step in if they pass the law on not transferring ownership or moving them across state lines.

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All in all this New version of the law is much more restictive. It would stop all trade in Exotics. Unless on the Approved List it would not only stop the import but captive breeding also. As well as place alot of your animals in harms way as you would need to show that they were bought legally.

The states need to regulate themselves. No good will come from letting big goverment with out the guide of Exotic keeper groups create a list of banned species based on bias and False information.

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It would stop ALL. ALL the reptile shows would stop. All the Pet shops would stop selling reptiles. You couldn't buy anymore unless they were on the list. This goes for all reptiles.From the little anole to the largest monitor. If this gets passed, there will be another blow to an already failing economy. Big government should have no hand in this.

This also does not just affect reptiles.Any nonnative species in the pet trade encompass virtually every bird, reptile, amphibian, fish and a number of mammals.

Also if you can not sell or interstate transport, then why breed?

Hopefully the others out there that read this will find it helpful and do something and fight for against it...

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Now I'm a not a US citizen so I can't act on this. But I encourage all you Americans to do so. You must take make a statement to let your government know that this is not their decision to make. They are not knowledgeable enough to do so.
Stop debating what is and what isn't. Make a move and stop this.
Makes no sense that you're allowed to have guns, but not reptiles?

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Mike

Ok here I go!

As has been shown, time and again, PROHIBITION STOPS NOTHING! All it does is create a new criminal black market and creates criminals out of what are otherwise law abiding citizens.

And I REALLY get tired of people who equate having a lot of money with providing an animal proper care!
Its not about money! Its about respecting the animal. All having a lot of money means is that you can make more expensive, frivolous, purchases!

And then care even less when you toss them by the wayside and go on to the next frivolous purchase!!

Face it, the animals are there and for a price anyone with the money would still be able to get one. Look at the people who go out and buy exotic cats, primates, etc! Those aren't cheap! But there are rescues who have their hands full because even though the people had the money to purchase them it, and presumably had the money to take care of them, they didn't, or wouldn't!
Most of the government grandstanding has nothing to do with anything except bowing to the wishes of special interest groups who have a lot of money to BUY votes. And use junk science to support their agendas.
Government is doing its best to intrude into every facet of our lives. They want to control everything and it just gets bigger and bigger.
I agree that irresponsible keepers are a problem. But don't strip the privileges of the rest of us to keep our animals. The irresponsible keepers will not go away just because of passing a law. Look at the illegal trade in protected species. Look at the trade in drugs and prostitution. Having something be against the law does NOT make it go away.
All this bill will do is make it illegal for people to keep an animal. The legitimate breeders and shows and shops will stop and all that money will be taken out of the economy and put into the hands of the smuggler or the black marketeer!

And those who chose to disobey the law will NOT be able to aquire veterinary treatment when needed. So the animals will suffer.

By the time it's over with don't be surprised when they decide that they will strip us of the right to maintain ANY sort of pet!

Take a minute and send a polite and respectful letter!

I'm done!

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Merlin,
What's Life Without A Little Magic!

A lot of you DO NOT UNDERSTAND how serious this is...

Its not just exotics.. its basically all cages birds, reptiles, tropical fish, small animals including hamsters, guinea pigs, ferrets etc...

They put it on a list that everything is banned until the review it, they have 37 months to review it, and theres no saying they will say they are allowed. if they find it unsafe for one place, then its illegal everywhere...

My dad talked to the head guy at US ARK and he was in washington talking to lobbyist and they DO ahve the power, money and votes to pass this..

When asked what we should do with out animals they said "we could careless, kill them, eat them whatever, its for the greater good, small amount of animals for years of there freedom"

the bill we written but animal rights groups who don't want you to have ANY pets at all... and they will eventually even go after dogs...

this is serious stuff

The site that goes live tomorrow is NO HR 669 and is a colaborative effort of Pijac, Adam Wysocki, Pete Kahl, Brian Barcyzk and max pet supply.


There will be avatars and signature banners to put on your profile for all the forums you visit. They will be going to fish, bird, rodent forms, etc. NO HR 669 will not be focusing just on the ban of reptiles, but all animals in jeopardy.