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This is what our member has to say: Thanks Joe. I'm feeling more confident that he won't regurge this time. If he didn't do it yesterday after all that stress and activity, he'll ...


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 I helped move the meter!   04-20-2006, 06:45 AM
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Thanks Joe. I'm feeling more confident that he won't regurge this time. If he didn't do it yesterday after all that stress and activity, he'll probably keep this one down.
The first one he threw up after 5 days and the second after 4 days.(So I'm not sure if it should be called regurgitation or vomiting?) Either way, tonight will be 4 days, so I'm hopeful.
Also, "little guy" is just a figure of speech: he's measured in at 192cm and 1845 gr.
The vet was very impressed by how good he looked and he makes a healthy impression. He had a perfect shed which is encouraging too.
Hopefully the Panacur will do it's work and neither his mouth nor bites will get infected... oh the fun we have!....
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Interesting, you have suggested something I had not thought possible, and had not heard of before, vomiting.....that poses the question when does regurge become vomit?? One of our boas did that (we assume as we did not actually witness it) last year, we just thought it was regurge and maybe the prey item was too large....she has not done it since....touch wood.

Not so 'little' guy then lol at least he has a good healthy size so thats promising and as you say a good clean shed is also good.....I think he'll be fine Andrea and he couldn't be I better hands

Aaah yes the fun we have....lol...but its worth it
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Hello,

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Interesting, you have suggested something I had not thought possible, and had not heard of before, vomiting.....that poses the question when does regurge become vomit?? One of our boas did that (we assume as we did not actually witness it) last year, we just thought it was regurge and maybe the prey item was too large....she has not done it since....touch wood.
Hopefully this will answer that question. It's a link to the article about Vomiting vs. Regurgitation in snakes.
http://www.herpcenter.com/showthread.php?t=2748

I hope he starts to feel better for you Andrea.

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I've read some contradictory definitions, but essentially it's a question of time. If it happens within hours to a day after eating it is usually referred to as regurgitation. (Generally the food is mostly undigested and has often not even reached the stomach when it is "given back") Anything thrown up later than that is referred to as vomiting. (coming from the stomach and anterior intestine.)
Although the book I have (Mader's Reptile Medicine and Surgery) contradicts itself on the same page, saying that animals affected with Cryptosporidiosis "commonly regurgitate their meal 2-3 days after eating"

According to either definition (Beths article or the ones I've read) both Q and Crais were vomiting because the food came up more than 4 days after eating and more than a little pre-digested. (Eeeww.) I should have been more accurate in my first post and written "vomited" instead of "regurged"

The difference can be helpful when looking for the cause of the problem. Regurgitation is often due to stress or handling immediately before, during or after eating. A snake that has just swallowed a big meal and feels threatened can't move very fast, so will often regurgitate to facilitate its escape.

Vomiting is the more serious symptom. Causes range from too much food (rots in the stomach before it has a chance to completely digest), low temperatures, handling, stress, parasites, inclusion body disease in boids; ingesting bad or poisoned food, bacterial and fungal gastroenterities, obstructions, etc, etc.
Repeated vomiting can cause serious inflamations, dehydration, acid-base and electrolyte imbalances, so whenever possible the underlying cause should be found and treated sooner rather than too late.

When I "rescued" Q, he already had a chronic vomiting syndrome, was severely underweight and beyond saving.
Hopefully with Crais this was a symptom of the parasite infestation and will get better with the Panacur treatments.
Speaking of which: he had his second dose this evening and although he didn't enjoy it (AT ALL), we got a good look in his mouth and on his body... there are no signs of infection or irritation from the bites (couldn't even see them anymore) nor from the missing tooth: he still has PLENTY in there!
He cruised around for a while after putting him back into his terrarium but he settled down under his hidebox after about 30 minutes.
I'm guessing he was in a lot of pain yesterday. Poor beast.
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sorry to hear about the vet visit and what happened. hopefully things will start getting better and he'll be okay with the treatment. best of luck.
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so sorry to hear, So he should be better in at least 2weeks or so?? thanks for that information to I didn't know that. hope all goes well fingers crossed really tight!
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aww, sorry to her about your little one

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Thanks everyone. He hasn't vomited, so that's the biggest relief for me right now. The inside of his mouth looks great, so no signs of mouth rot or infection where he lost the tooth, either.
We have one more dose of Panacur to give him tonight and then we have to wait a few weeks and give him another 4 doses. I still need to do some research on it, because everywhere we look different treatment regimes are recommended.
Then we'll have his stool checked again and hopefully it will be parasite-free!
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Thanks for all the info guys, have learnt something new from this thread, which is good.

Andrea I'm so glad to hear that Crais is donig well and kept down his last meal I wish you all the best with him and keep us updated with his progress
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I'm glad you were able to learn something new from my post Joe!
(I did A LOT of research on the regurge/vomit thing when I was dealing with poor Q)

The good news is that Crais had the last dose of his first round of treatment on Saturday. No sign of mouth infection from the lost tooth. And he did not vomit.
In fact he's feisty as heck and amazingly strong... it was all I could do to keep hold of him. (So he doesn't make a sickly impression AT ALL!!)
I fed him last night and so far so good. Aside from changing the water, there will be no need to disturb him for the next 2 weeks, so hopefully he'll keep this meal down too.
I have to call the vet for the rest of his test results, but things are looking better!
Thanks again for the moral support everyone!
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