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03-24-2005, 05:55 PM
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the cedar and pine
I know that you arent supposed to use cedar and pine with your herps but I was curious as to why this is? I remember reading something about it being the fumes but they are only harmful if the wood gets wet. Another thing I read was it is the powder that is on the chips but that is all it was left too.
Any info would be much appreciated!
... and sorry for only being a lurker lately, i dont want to be a post ***** with all the ooohs and aaahs and I really dont offer that much info, but I appreciate everyone elses help.
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03-24-2005, 05:56 PM
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It's the aromatic oils that are dangerous...and correct me if I'm wrong, someone, but I don't think it's only dangerous when wet. I thought it was dangerous all the time. I've avoided cedar and pine like the plague for any of my animals for years and years...
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03-24-2005, 06:00 PM
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Gotcha... if that is the case how come none of the animal protection agencies have gotten involved to discontinue the selling of these products for the use as animal substrate.
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03-24-2005, 06:02 PM
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I have no idea why they haven't gotten involved as these substrates are known to cause respiratory problems in animals...I wish they would put a stop to it!
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Juliane you are correct it is the aromatic oils and resin in the wood that is the problem. Whether or not the wood is wet has nothing to do with it.
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if that is the case how come none of the animal protection agencies have gotten involved to discontinue the selling of these products for the use as animal substrate
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The same reason that they still sell hot rocks, calcium sand and allow the packaging of regular incandescent light bulbs to mislead you into thinking they are something they are not. Reptiles are not a big concern for these groups, their focus is on the warm fuzzies.
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03-25-2005, 12:42 AM
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Reptiles are not a big concern for these groups, their focus is on the warm fuzzies.
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I know alot of people who use ceder and pine for rabbits, gerbil, and many many other small mammals
And the Calcium sand I dont know if they should pull off the market, just get rid of the misleading labels. but thats not the arguement/question so I will leave it alone
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Yup. Aromatic oils and hydrocarbons called phenols. They're what give cedar, pine, and the like their familiar scent. If it smells like pine, its dangerous. Even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean its safe. Long ago I kept mt rodents on pine cause that's what pet stores use. Ever since I switched to aspen my rodents are free of respiratory ailments and live twice as long.
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For years cedar was the recommended bedding for rodents because it covered up the smell. I still see it used.
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I see it sometimes too, and it makes me mad  , but on the bright side, almost all of the pet stores here have gone to aspen bedding, thank goodness. 
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Ceder and chloropine and horrible for small animals too. The only thing that you could really use ceder for are dogs and bigger. But other then that its not good at all.
I'm curious as to why you guys don't like the calci sand? I imagine impaction would be the main reason, but as far as I know it'll digest before becoming a problem. I've only seen one impaction, my ball python that had been kept on that crushed walnut **** with the uromastix on the packaging. At the pet store I work at all the desert herps are on it and I've never seen any of em get impacted. And these are usually jueviniles.
You guys ever think of putting together a comprehensive pros and cons of common products page together?
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