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    Question Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    I'm almost finished my new enclosure. I have 3 45watt halogen flood lamps about 8" above the basking spot and one on the other side of the cage. I know there's a huge debate about UVB and I'm frankly ignorant about the different types. I will admit I was using a ReptiGlo Compact Fluorescent 2.0 for almost 2 years and I've started to notice he's getting "blueness" over his eyes and it seems he's having trouble seeing food when I tong feed him. I have since taken the UVB out of the cage and I can see some of the blue going away in his eyes. I'm guessing that some UVB is needed as natural sunlight has it but like I said I'm not educated in the area at all. I know there are long tubes you can get. Would they be better? I am dusting with calcium powder & D3 in it. I understand the UVB is needed to synthesize the D3 unless I'm wrong. Please help clarify!






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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    don't need it... (short answer)
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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    Do you use UVB in yours, looks like it in your youtube vids?

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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    Quote Originally Posted by longlivedonuts View Post
    Do you use UVB in yours, looks like it in your youtube vids?
    Yes, but here is the thing, by sheer coincidence I walk into the local petco, there is a cart loaded with 4 foot tubes by the door, $2 each, can't even score regular bulbs at wal mart that cheap, so I bought them all.

    The whole fixture was in a 55 gallon aquarium hood over a tank with some garter snakes in it, I wound up moving the garter snakes to a spare 35 gallon, and put a rat colony in the 55, so I disassembled the light hood and mounted the fixture in my monitor cage.

    Bottom line, not one person I have spoken to in my travels has told me that it is needed.....

    when compared to the fixture you just described, a compact CFL (per your post) the spiral lamp produces a higher concentration in a smaller area, and you stated that "I've started to notice he's getting "blueness" over his eyes and it seems he's having trouble seeing food when I tong feed him."

    based on that statement, I would remove it and use it for target practice, because I certainly would not want anything inside my cage that would make my lizards uncomfortable or irritated in such a way.

    If you would like to install a longer fixture, and spread that UV around, then I would say go for it, can't hurt.

    I should take a little more time and explain myself a little better to avoid confusing people, so there it is.. the longer answer.
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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    Make sure you're feeding whole prey, then UVB is not required.
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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    Quote Originally Posted by Infernalis View Post
    Yes, but here is the thing, by sheer coincidence I walk into the local petco, there is a cart loaded with 4 foot tubes by the door, $2 each, can't even score regular bulbs at wal mart that cheap, so I bought them all.

    The whole fixture was in a 55 gallon aquarium hood over a tank with some garter snakes in it, I wound up moving the garter snakes to a spare 35 gallon, and put a rat colony in the 55, so I disassembled the light hood and mounted the fixture in my monitor cage.

    Bottom line, not one person I have spoken to in my travels has told me that it is needed.....

    when compared to the fixture you just described, a compact CFL (per your post) the spiral lamp produces a higher concentration in a smaller area, and you stated that "I've started to notice he's getting "blueness" over his eyes and it seems he's having trouble seeing food when I tong feed him."

    based on that statement, I would remove it and use it for target practice, because I certainly would not want anything inside my cage that would make my lizards uncomfortable or irritated in such a way.

    If you would like to install a longer fixture, and spread that UV around, then I would say go for it, can't hurt.

    I should take a little more time and explain myself a little better to avoid confusing people, so there it is.. the longer answer.
    Awesome thanks, that clarifies it. From all the information I've read on this site I completely trust your advice considering most other sites don't even recommend substrate for boroughs.

    I may get a long tube later for a brighter (whiter) light in the cage even though I realize it's not required. But I know there are different types (5000K, 6000K). Do you know if either is harmful or either is fine?

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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    Quote Originally Posted by kriminaal View Post
    Make sure you're feeding whole prey, then UVB is not required.
    Yea, I am feeding only whole prey. At the moment, it's kind of limited to crickets (which I freeze for 10min as soon as I get home, let them thaw out to room temp, then dish feed so they aren't crawling around the cage screeching at night stressing my sav out (btw, is this ok or less nutritious than live/tong feeding the crickets?)), super mealworms, and one or two small mice or rats every two weeks. I know he really needs a wider range of food.

    Does anyone know a source for live roaches (which type I'm not sure?) and locust near the east coast US? Any other whole prey food options I should really get?

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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    You can find adds for people selling Dubias all over the internet as well as at most reptile expos.
    I don't beleive locusts are available in the US.

    And by the way, the insect being referred to as a locust is not the same thing as what we call locusts here. Its really a type of grasshopper. What we call locusts in the US are cicadas.
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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    Quote Originally Posted by longlivedonuts View Post
    Yea, I am feeding only whole prey. At the moment, it's kind of limited to crickets (which I freeze for 10min as soon as I get home, let them thaw out to room temp, then dish feed so they aren't crawling around the cage screeching at night stressing my sav out (btw, is this ok or less nutritious than live/tong feeding the crickets?)
    The crickets will not stress out your Sav, just you. As for F/T crickets, Some nutrition is lost and live are better but I feed F/T anyways because they don't lose much and I don't lose a bunch of them from them dying. Before freezing make sure to gut load the crickets so they have more nutritional value. Only thaw out a max of 1 weeks worth at a time or they will dry out which isn't good. Also, Don't freeze too many at a time because they will lose nutritional value over time. No more than 1 months worth in the freezer. Live will also give mental stimulation to the monitor so don't feed only F/T.
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    Re: Need Savannah UVB Advice!

    Ok thanks Merlin and Adam. I'll be ordering some Dubias soon and getting those crickets on schedule.

    I want to start getting earth worms as I seen Infernalis feeding and his savs love them.. (same as fishing worms or?)

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