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09-14-2006, 11:30 PM
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I hope they turn out to be a pair! If not you will just have to get 10 more 
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09-15-2006, 06:59 AM
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I don't see why lizards cannot be probed to establish sex, their hemi-penes are constructed the same way.
I realise that it is not normally done but fail to understand why not.
The lizard would have to be relaxed whilst probing and this would rule out many of them.
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09-15-2006, 07:24 AM
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Might be tricky popping a monitor while wearing thick gloves. I do have plans to buy another 2 next month. If I can save enough money by then. My wife just informed me yesterday that I was going to put us in the poor house buying all this "lizard stuff". I didn't know poor house was slang for "reptile zoo"lol
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09-15-2006, 08:19 PM
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I don't see why lizards cannot be probed to establish sex, their hemi-penes are constructed the same way.
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It isn't the structure of the hemipenes, it's the female equivalent that is the problem. Female monitors have hemiclitori, which look a lot like simplified hemipenes. If you probed a monitor, the probe would go in a fair way no matter which sex you had.
All you would do if you probed a monitor is run the risk of injuring the very organ it needs to breed (presumably the reason you are probing it in the first place), while ending up none the wiser.
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09-15-2006, 08:24 PM
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It isn't the structure of the hemipenes, it's the female equivalent that is the problem. Female monitors have hemiclitori, which look a lot like simplified hemipenes. If you probed a monitor, the probe would go in a fair way no matter which sex you had.
All you would do if you probed a monitor is run the risk of injuring the very organ it needs to breed (presumably the reason you are probing it in the first place), while ending up none the wiser.
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Many thanks for the explanation.
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09-15-2006, 08:46 PM
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What do think about the popping idea?
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09-16-2006, 09:46 PM
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popping can be done with some monitors, but not all, for they have very muscular tail bases and the hemipene retractor muscles can be quite resistant, too. Pushing too hard for too long, to tire out the muscles and allow eversion, may damage the animal.
Juveniles and hatchlings have weaker muscles, but if its a juvenile and it does evert, how good are you at distinguishing immature hemipenes from hemiclitori?
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09-16-2006, 10:47 PM
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I don't think I'll try it. I have never done and don't want to injure them. I'm pretty sure from other visual means that they are both males anyway.
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