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    Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    Hi Everyone

    I am new to this site but wondered if anyone can give me some advice.

    We have 2 Leopard Geckos (male & female) that are now 10 years old that we have had since baby’s.
    Both of them have always been healthy but around Christmas time we started to notice that our male gecko (Mr Man) was starting to lose a weight from his tail.
    It was at Christmas when our local pet shop ran out of crickets and wax worms due to the bad weather so we bought some mealworms instead. We had never fed them mealworms before but the pet shop said they love them.
    After we started to feed them these we noticed that one of the geckos was being sick and bringing up partially digested mealworms but didn’t know which one at the time. We stopped feeding them these and got some crickets and wax worms.

    It was at the same time that we noticed our male gecko was drinking a lot of water and having really big wee's but we thought that maybe he was getting too hot.

    Once we started feeding the wax worms and crickets again there was no more sicks in the tank so thought all was ok. But Mr Man still kept losing weight from his tail and drinking a lot.

    Around 2 weeks ago we decided to lower the bulb from a 75w to 60w to see if that helped, and he did stop drinking as much as he was.
    But around a week ago the being sick started up again but this time it was while we were in the room so we saw that it was the male gecko, he has also been doing a lot of standing and staring (mainly at the water dish) for quite a while. At first we maybe thought it was old age and maybe going a little strange, but now every time we feed him he is sick. He manages to keep the food down for 2/3 days and then he will be sick. There has also been a watery substance with the brought up food, and the last twice he was sick the liquid was darker (brownish), and he is now getting more and more lethargic and his tail is really thin.

    We took him to the vet yesterday and she said she doesn’t really know what’s wrong with him and that it is probably his liver starting to fail and said there is nothing we can do.
    She has prescribed some Baytril 0.5ml to be given every other day and some Zantac syrup 300ml 0.5ml every day.He will take the Baytril but hates the Zantac. She also said to put the 75w bulb back in to help.

    We are really worried about him as we don’t know what’s suddenly caused him to be poorly and wondered if anyone has any idea of what could be wrong?

    Both geckos have always been on sand since they were old enough, and we have an infrared heat bulb in the tank and we try to keep the warm side between 80/90 degrees.

    Many thanks in advance for you help.
    Amanda






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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    I would say lose the sand, just use paper towel, much easier to see what is going in and going out, much more sanitary, easier to clean up all, and doesn't cause impaction which can sometimes take years to develop.

    Hopefully they are separated just in case one has parasites, or sick, and you can keep an eye on who's poop is who's.

    What are you using to measure your temperatures with, dial type, stripe type, glass tube type or digital with a probe?
    Temperature should be taken from the basking spot which is inside the hot hide. 80-90 degrees is a big temperature range for the hot side!
    Did the vet do a fecal to test for parasites?

    If you could take a picture of his setup that would be great!
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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    Hi Amanda, welcome (even though under not the best of circumstances).

    Sorry to hear your leopard gecko isn't doing so well.
    You don't mention whether he is pooping or not, if he isn't then that would suggest some kind of blockage or impaction. Since it happened at the time you gave some mealworms, one would have to suspect them, they are harder to digest than other food.

    With regards to the vet, I wouldn't consider "I don't know" to be a satisfactory answer, and perhaps you should try and find a vet who does have an answer. Google should help you with that. I see from your profile that you live in Blackpool, here is one vet that I found, and I'm sure there must be more:

    B.A.McCracken
    24 Mere Rd Blackpool
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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    Hi to both of you.
    Thank you for your quick reply and well wishes.

    We have 2 disc style thermometers in the tank, one in the hot side that is now 90degrees with the 75w bulb and the cool side is 79degrees.
    We haven't separated them as the vet did not say too.

    Yes he is still pooping. He hadn't had one for a week or so with him not being able to keep food down, but he had a little one Friday which was a little darker in colour than normal but not black. When we got home from the vets yesterday we gave him the 2 medicines and last night he had another 2 poo's. These were more running than normal but we thought it maybe the medicine flushing him out.
    She had a look at his tummy and in his mouth to see if there were any blockages but she couldn't see anything.

    She is meant to be very good with reptiles, and our local reptile shop recommended the vets we went too. But i am thinking of asking another vets for an opinion.

    We have looked online at possible infections etc but the one that fits the best description was Gastroenteritis, but doesn't say how to treat. But if it was parasites, how could he have caught them?

    Many Thanks
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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    Does each one have their own basking hide?
    Is one eating more than the other, hard to tell when they are together!
    Is one more dominant then the other?
    Sand is very hard to keep clean and may harbour bacteria, salmonella!

    You may want to purchase a digital thermometer with a probe attached, this way you are not reading just the air temperatures, you can buy them fairly cheap. You just place the probe end inside the hot hide and read the temperature, the probe can be moved around the enclosure to get temperatures from other areas. Leopard Geckos need belly heat in order to properly digest their food, especially meal worms.
    You are using a heat lamp for heat, what is the hide made out of, it may not be retaining the heat very well, you can place a piece of tile under the hot hide and this will help retain heat, or you can purchase a under the tank heating pad that sticks to the glass under the tank.
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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    What you describe sounds like a parasite to me. I would have a fecal done. That would rule out parasites. Did the other vet run blood work? I ask because suggesting that the liver is going is presumptuous without blood work to back it.
    Regurgitation with Leopard Geckos is typically a result of inadequate heating (meaning the gecko were too cold to digest the food) or parasites.

    I HIGHLY suggest you separate the 2 geckos immediately. This is the best way to prevent the other from getting sick.

    I also suggest you get rid of the sand. If you need a reason why, read this:

    Leopard Gecko Sand Impaction X-rays

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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    There are 2 hides and 3 logs for them to go in/hide under, and they have their favorite places that they use, plus a cold tub that we keep moist for them to cool off.

    We are going to separate them tomorrow to see how this goes and we will put him just on kitchen roll in the tank so that we can keep it nice and clean, i just hope they don't fret as they have always been together.

    Mr Man was always the dominant one, if anything he used to pick on Pip especially when he wanted to mate.
    They haven't had a scrap that we know of for a very long time, so we don't think it has stemmed from a fight.

    They have both been eating wax worms, we feed them separately to stop any fighting, but he went off his crickets around Christmas time, although he didn't always eat them before.

    Yes we just use a heat bulb at one side and the 2 main hides are at this side of the tank near the bulb so that they retain the heat. The hides are like a resin base so they always seem to keep the heat.

    The vet also gave us some cat/dog high protein paste that is used to help in the recovery of animals. She told us to try to give him a little every day but only in very very small amounts do that it doesn't upset his tummy. He has eaten a tiny amount yesterday and a little more today, but we tried to feed him a wax worm today and he is just not interested, even when we got it wriggling on his nose, which is not like him at all, he would normally take your finger off for them.

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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    Hi Rich

    Thank you for your reply.
    No she did not take any blood or ask for a fecal to be done.
    Sorry i made a mistake she said it could be his Kidneys starting to give up not his Liver (god knows why i said liver LOL)

    Yes we are going to get the other smaller tank out tomorrow and give it a good clean before we pop him in there.

    We will also get some other substrate to keep the female gecko on.

    He seems to be sleeping quite a lot today, i just hope the paste is giving him some nutrients

    Thanks again everyone

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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    These are some pics of the tank and Mr Man
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    re: Leopard Gecko Losing Weight & Being Sick Please Help

    Paper towel would also be great for the female as well. Easy to take out and replace.

    Good luck with Mr. Man, I'm praying for his speedy recovery!
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