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Concerned that ig maybe can't/won't climb downwards.

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01-30-2006, 01:49 AM
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Concerned that ig maybe can't/won't climb downwards.

Hey, I have asked this question within the midst of my other posts but this problem is just getting worse. Perhaps it will solve itself as time goes on but right now it's not doing any good.

I have included a picture of what I am talking about here, which I will refer to below:



Ok, you can see two lines, a green one and a red one. The green one is the path I built out of shelves, grids etc. etc. that I intended the ig to use to get to the ground and back up, and to access the other shelves. I only ever saw it climb that path, and only halfway, once, which was when it first moved in, and started exploring after 2 days. He doesn't use it anymore now that there is nothing "new" about it. In fact, he seldom ever uses any other shelves, if ever, other than the basking shelves.

The red line is the path that he uses to climb UP to the basking platform. Notice I say up only, I will expand on that later. This is after I PLACE him on the floor, either poops in the blue spot first, or goes straight to that corner on the floor, and darts up, squeezing between the shelves and the walls, and then jumps horizontally over to the baskng platform, where you see in in the photo.

THe blue spot on the bottom is where he USED to poop by choice. I would hear rumbling and climbing on the walls/mesh, and when I enter the room I would see it jump down from one of the platforms and poop there before going back up via the red path. I do NOT ever see it doing that now anymore. It started pooping in its food one day, and I changed to a smaller bowl and it stopped. But ever since it has chosen to poop up top unless I put him on the floor.

The blue spot is also where it poops if I handle him, take him around the house, hang out with him in front of a heater (he doesn't like warm water immersion, he likes warm AIR). He will usually poop immediately after handling and warming in front of the heater. I would PUT him on the floor, and that's where he poops.

The purple area is where he poops now when he poops by himself. Sometimes because he poops before I handle him, and also he poops a second time in the afternoon. ALWAYS there up top nowadays.

I am concerned that since he doesn't use the intended paths for climbing, that perhaps he has difficulty getting down? Or perhaps it is more taxing and it is lazy? Do igs find it more taxing to climb down than up?

I don't mind cleaning, as I now put newspapers up there too. So cleaning is easy. But the lack of exercise and the thought that it may have problems climbing DOWN concerns me. As well as the fact that if I don't notice straight away, it may end up getting itself dirty.

It always used to poop in the blue spot, climbing down by itself. Now it will only do so when I put him on the floor. When I enter the room nowadays, unlike before, 100% of the time he is on the platform. ALWAYS.

I ran through some possibilities in my head:
1) Floor too cold. So I raised the temperatures to see for a couple days. It didn't work at all.
2) Putting food on lower levels. He won't eat more than 2 BITES even if I carry him down and PUT him there before he runs back upstairs. If I don't put him there, the food just rots. He went 4 days like this and I am not going to try that again. He usually eats two bowls per day, put in in two separate times.
3) It is hard to climb down vertically than up. Maybe?
4) I did, at one point, move the humidifier on a higher shelf. It used to spray lower. But all it did was make a mist on the lower floor level and the upper ones were all dry. The newspapers on the floor were always soaking wet and some started to grow fungus, and the top levels would be dry. So I raised it to a higher shelf. Could the high humidity he making it think it should poop up top? The humidifier is outside the cage by the way.

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By the way the circle blue down there is the old pooping place, not the arrow of the humidifier. Sorry for the similar colors.

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Wow....you are very through when asking your questions.
My iguana is a lazy slug. He only comes down every other day to go potty so i've made it a habit to take him out on the off days to tub poop him.
He is fed on his basking shelf and rarely ventures from it willingly, but when he does he doesnt seem to have any problem climbing down, unless you are watching him in which case he does a 180 and climbs back up.
If your iguana can climb upwards, chances are that it can climb downwards, and that it is just too lazy to do so.
Think of it this way, if you had a large house and you had two bathrooms, one across the hall from your room and one that is down 3 flights of stairs, and you felt the urge to go while in your room, are you going to want to walk that far?
Your iguana can probably climb down the screen head first as well, for a more direct route, but like I said, he's probably lazy.

This is dizzy's favorite way to get to the bottom of his enclosure, even though I made him a nice ladder!
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Anthony,

I know you have repeatedly said you don't want to tub him/her but it can be beneficial in the area of exercise(swimming &trying to get out), shedding, pooping, hydration (drinking before pooping), and socialization (your handling). Just a thought.
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Lacey, I would go to the nearest bathroom. I wouldn't poop in or next to my food or on the floor in my living room though... I guess I have to find a way to let it know that that platform is NOT a bathroom.

He does have a water bowl on his platform but he doesn't poop in it. I always thought igs wanted to poop as far away from their resting and food place as possible?

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I don't know what to tell you other than to try feeding once a day at the same time every day and try to get to know when he is going to go so you can move him to the bottom of the enclosure. Most iguanas will get onto a set schedule of eating and pooping if you work with them.
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He always poops after I handle him in the morning and put him on the floor, but he will most of the days poop again when I am out at work, on the platform. I don't mind it doing so I am more concerned of its well being, not that I have to clean up.
I don't know if I should change the enclosure furniture around and if so, how.

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Anthony as the old saying goes, "the best laid plans can go astray". Unfortunately what you envision as the proper way for the ig to behave and travel around in the cage is of little concern to your iguana. They are headstrong creatures and you pretty much just have to work with what they decide to do. I would leave the cage alone and the iguana will use the shelves or not as he sees fit. You are expecting the iguana to follow what YOU see as a logical way to move up and down. The problem right now is being a baby, it is still very skittish and wants to get to the top as quickly as possible, and stay there! The most direct path is a straight line so up the side it goes. As it gets older and puts on more body weight, as well as gaining familiarity with the cage you may find it more prone to using your shelf setups to move around.
Personally I would put the food bowl in the bottom of the cage and leave it there. A healthy iguana is not going to starve itself to death with food in the cage. It may just take some time to get it to accept that you aren't going to give in and put the food back up on the top shelf. If it makes you more comfortable try moving the food bowl down in stages. Move it to the next lower shelf, and then over a period of weeks get it down on the floor. Once you get the iguana used to going down on the floor to eat you may find that the location he uses for his toilet will be down on the floor as well.
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While Merlin is right and the ig will use the routes it wants one thing that may help is make the ramp grids more visible. That 5 cm grid does not offer much for the ig to see as it climbes around. Especially as the ig gets older, the more solid a surface looks the more apt the ig is to climb on it. While we know that the steel of the grid will hold the ig hundreds of times over it ig does not know that.

I used a grid like this in one of my old cages and found my ig was less reluctant to climb it when something was laced / woven through the grids. Wide cloth ribbons or rope is good for this. You can also drape some of those bamboo mats you have else where in the cage over the ramps. All of the cages I have built over the last few years use solid materials for ramps.
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You guys think I should just put solid stuff over the ramps as mar says? Or should I just get rid of the shelf on the right and replace it with a tree?

Or should I get rid of the grids and put logs?

Either way I'll be changing stuff again and freaking it out maybe I should just leave it be.

 


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