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This is what our member has to say: Well I know for sure miss sally has mouthrot, and will be seeing the vet, but she seems rather fat today...as if shes bloated lol...shes ...


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sally seems..bloated??

Well I know for sure miss sally has mouthrot, and will be seeing the vet, but she seems rather fat today...as if shes bloated lol...shes too young to be gravid I know that and she just defacated lastnite...maybe shes justgetting chubby :P

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How is Sally doing now? (sorry I'm behind in the posts!)

She could just be gaining weight but water dragons seem to be susceptable to fatty liver disease (which from what I can tell can be brought on by long periods of fasting then eating food items too high in fat which the body then decides it can't metabolize properly, which then leads to a fatty enlarged liver).

How big is Sally now? Are you certain that she's not gravid? I've heard of the occasional 16" dragon becoming gravid.

you might want to try using a measuring tape around her abdomen- at the widest point - and keep track of her girth. You could use a string and then measure the string if you don't have a soft measuring tape.

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aww, I hope Sally gets better!
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I think shes actually preggers but its too early to tell...and shed be 19'' snout to tail length about the fatty liver disease...it could be that too...can you explain that to me? like symptoms and such?

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LOL, dangit! I had this nice informative post all done for you, and then I realized that Sally was the name of a water dragon. When I see 'sally', I think salamander Well, at least now I don't think dropsy is a possibility, so she's off the hook there
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lol, matt..i know what dropsy is and im more then sure sally dosnt have it...the since she did go on more then one hunger strike and didnt start eating until I fed pinks it may be fatty liverf disease...im leaning away from her being gravid for now until I get her to the vet...

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Arghhh your making me work.

I've had a really hard time finding good information on Fatty liver disease, even Maders Reptile and Medicine (first edition anyway) doesn't discuss it. But Fatty liver disease does come up quite often on my water dragon mailing list as it seems that water dragons are suceptable to this disorder.

I don't have a lot on the symptoms but anorexia- not eating or very little appetite, swollen abdomen and sometimes lethargy are common symptoms.

So, here is a post that I made to the list last November. (I'm making it into a page on my site (update - just added it to Reptile Logic):

Fatty liver disease or hepatic lipidosis, is really is a symptom of other disorders that might affect the dragon. It's a metabolic disease. The liver is a very important organ - and when it starts to fail other organs start to fail, including the heart.

80% of the liver is made up of Hepatocytes which are the chief functional cells of the liver and perform an astonishing number of metabolic, endocrine and secretory functions. Roughly 80% of the mass of the liver is contributed by hepatocytes. Often, during necropsy, when an animal is diagnosed as passing away from a secondary cause of fatty liver disease the hepatocytes cells are found to have fatty changes. Occasionally during necropsy, a pathologist might find signs of Xanthomatosis, which is a condition in which fatty deposits occur in various parts of the body. These fatty deposits are called xanthomas or xanthomata and appear as yellowish firm nodules in the skin. Xanthomas are in themselves a harmless growth of tissue. However, they frequently indicate the presence of underlying diseases such as diabetes and disorders of fats (lipid disorder or hyperlipidemia). Under the microscope, a xanthoma consists of lipid-laden foam cells. These cells, termed histiocytes, contain lipid material in their cytoplasm (the nonnuclear zone of the cell).

Long periods of anorexia (not eating) can cause the liver to metabolize fats poorly once the animal begins to eat again. when the liver can't metabolize fats in the diet properly it becomes fatty and begins to function poorly.

My gut feeling is that with our reptiles, extended periods of anorexia is the leading cause of fatty liver disease. When our animals become sick with parasite infections or when they become gravid they tend to not eat. If they remain sick for long periods I think the chances of them developing some liver problems when they start to eat again is good- especially if they are being fed diet items that are high in fat.

My suggestion is that when your dragon is recovering from an illness that has caused it to stop eating for a period of time, please start the dragon on a low fat, low protein diet. Many people give their dragons waxworms when they aren't eating well or when they are recovering from illness and we know those food items are just packed with fat. Please start off with earthworms or low fat, low protein slurries until the animal is starting to do better. then gradually get it back to it's normal diet. If we are careful about how we start them back on food we may lessen the chances of them developing liver problems simply from beginning to eat again.

Hope this helps!

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i didnt give her waxies tll well after she was eating again and the pinks were a bad move I c now ty so mucg dragonden...she will get a vet trip

 


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