6 weeks?!?! You bought them how long ago?

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I was going to ask the same thing.. Angel did you rear these babies or buy them? If so, how long have you had them? 6 weeks is very young - we will sell our babies at 4weeks as an absolute minimum and only if they are healthy and strong.

Firstly, as they are only 6weeks in age, their gender will not be of concern right now. Only as they get older might there be problems if they are both male. Keep trying to check for sex, your initial description sounds like they could be female, but it really is too early to know for sure, as they could be "under-developed" males.

Secondly, the reactions you are describing from the "female" sounds like typical stress - not because of you but because of her age. If you bought these guys then they are extremely young, and the move will have upset them greatly. She needs time to settle in that's all. Don't handle her more often yet - let her settle down and gradually introduce them to youself; feed them, stroke them, handle them for short periods at a time as they get used to you., the baths will help hydrate them, but being desert animals they do not need masses of water intake anyway, and for now, while they settle in, I would leave the baths unless necessary as well.

I doubt that she is stressed living with another Bearded Dragon, regardless of sex, particularly if they came from the same place. As for placing her with your new female, due to arrive soon, that is a no no for now - you must practice quarantine with all your animals to ensure that no infections, disease or parasites are passed on.

Hope this helps.

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And just to be on the safe side (regarding their age), can you please measure them? 6 weeks babies should be around 5" or 6"

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When I bought them they were each just a few weeks old. Tigger my sick one, was said to be 3-4 weeks at the time. Eeyore was said to be 4-5 weeks. I have had them both for almost 3 weeks. Tigger measures 5 inches and Eeyore measures 6 inches (snout to tail length). Tigger was weighed at the vet, 4 grams. She is very tiny and not doing well. I place her in the water dish in her tank. She makes absolutely no effort to eat. I have some baby Bearded Dragon formula mush that I have been trying to give her in between the pedialyte. She rarely even opens her eyes. My daughter will be heartbroken if we lose her. So will I for that matter. She is alone and has been for 5 days now with no improvement. I went out and bought another tank just for her. Eeyore is doing great. He eats around 25-30 crickets/day and is obviously getting fat. Tigger looks emaciated.
Angel

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Angel, I have absolutely no experience with sick or non-eating Bearded Dragons but some keepers use special treats to bump up their appetites like wax worms. I hope someone can give you some pointers here.

She is probably very sick and weak. It's a downward spiral that's hard to break. Either way, don't give up. Life finds a way!

If you ever come across the person/store that sold you those Bearded Dragons, let them know how irresponsible of them it is to sell babies that young.

Good luck!!

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Angel, sorry to hear that Tigger is not doing well... sadly, some are just not meant to survive. You were sold them at a young age, though as I said, if they are healthy and strong we sell our babies at 4-6 weeks of age.

We have had experience with non-feeding and sickly hatchlings - I'm afraid there's not much you can do apart from what you are already doing. You are keeping her separate, which is good, as it will prevent any disease from spreading (though I highly doubt this is due to any disease or parasite), and the other will have outgrown and bullied her, which will have caused further stress. At least now she has the chance to eat and get stronger, though, without meaning to upset you, it might be best to prepare yourself for the worst.

When you took her to the vet did you have a feacal exam done to rule out any parasites? That should be your first port of call.

If there are no obvious medical problems present then at this stage I would be tempted to say that she was just too young to be sold; if she was kept with other dragons at the shop she may have been the runt and will not have got the food that she needed. Some dragons are just born weaker than others unfortunately; it is a very sad fact, but it is nature.

It does strike me as a little strange that you have had them both for three weeks and she is only now presenting such drastic symptoms; was she always weaker than the other?

I really don't want to upset you, but your description reminds me of some babies we have reared in the past, that just haven't made it, and it might be beneficial at this stage to sit down with your daughter and explain that Tigger might only live for a few more days. In this case, I would try not to cause stress to the lizard; try to limit the amount you handle her. I understand that you want to get food into her, but this can also cause immense stress which can lead to further problems. It can be a catch-22 situation, but follow your instincts and do what you feel is right. If she does not make it do not blame yourself, as I said it is nature that only some survive; far less would make it in the wild, hence why so many eggs are laid. If she does survive then great! You are doing everything you can for her and I'm sure she is receiving the best care possible. Keep her hydrated by dripping water on her nose and hopefully she will lick this herself and absorb fluid that way, rather than bathing her for example. You can try an appetite-inducing supplement in her water; over here we have something called avipro, and it is used to stimulate appetite. Keep trying her with a small cricket and allow her to catch them herself.

I presume she has a UV light? One more thing to check is the output of the light; is there any yellowing or leakage around the bulb? - while I doubt this is the case in your situation, since the other is doing so well, we did once experience a clutch of sick dragons, which we almost lost, but luckily we realised in time that the UV bulb was emitting UVC and causing them to be ill.

I wish you the very best with Tigger and I am rooting for her. I really hope she pulls through. Continue as you are doing and know that you are doing the best for her. Please keep us updated on her progress.

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i too am terribly sorry that this is happening. its always a sad thing to have a pet go downhill. and I know it can be hard to deal with, but I do have an option for you.it's called bearded dragon power aid. invented by a friend of mine through many trials and tests, its no marketed item, just a home recipie that has bulked up many dragpns.

one day she went into her dragons room and found him looking thinner than ever. he was terribly small and had gone down to 10 grams form like 300 over night. over the course of the day she tried mixture after mixture trying to find something he'd eat because he would not each crickets or anything live or produce. by the night he had gone to 30 grams and no one really beleived that he would make it till midnight let alone the morning to visit the vet, but she still tried and tried to find something to feed him and one of the mixtures hit the spot, he gobbled down syringe after syringe and was very plump that night. he lived through the night and was able to make it to the vet and get medicine for the parasites he appearently had. she stills feeds it now and both her dragons made it to 400 grams the last time I spoke to her since she is off at college now. and many other owners have tried it and have found weight increases in their dragons.

but in your case there is a desision to make.i know I might sound like a traveling sales man but it relaly works, the only snag here is that with tigger being so small and younger, the process of syringe feeding her might cause immence stress which could tear her body apart form the inside out. there is a chance that she will love it and you can get some nutrition in, or she could pass. i don't know the percentages and im sorry for offering such a hard desision but the recepie is as follows

2 big (suggested) bok choy leaves (high in water) and other fav veggies (if you don't know the favs yet go with collars and/or mustards.)

50-60mL of strawberry baby food. (i can't ever find plain strawberry but strawbeery aple or strawberry banana work fine as a substitute)

90mL of Bearded Dragons pellets

50-70mL of water (depending on the consistancy you want)

5 mL calcium supplements

5mL multi vitamins

ground together by power blender and feed by syringe. (you can get one for free at your local drug store/counter if you ask)

it has worked for me on both my tigger and zade. and I hope you can help this little one through this time in her life. you also might look for calcium with D3 which will up the supplements it would get from the UVB light making it stronger in some cases. i suppest you DO NOT mix it into the power aid as I don't know the effects. i only hope this can help you and your tigger.

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Well, I made some of your formula. I had to force feed her a little. I was as gentle as possible, stroking had back and talking softly to her. I got about .15ml into her. I thought it best not to push it too much. Right now she is at least holding her head up. That's more than she ahs done all day. I did talk with my daughter nad she knows that Tigger may not be able to survive this. We did have a fecal sample run; no parasites evident. I am open to any other suggestions. I'll let you know how it goes.
Angel

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1.2.0 Bearded Dragons (Hercules, Megora & Eeyore)
1.0.0 Bi-color Flame Point Himalayan (Koda)
1.2.0 Children (Dimitri, Mercedes, and Mariah)

yes please do, im glad she;s holding her head up and that your daughter understands. now all I can say is that I hope the formual works as well for you as I did for me and so many others. other than that im out of suggestions.

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I dont know how I missed this thread... I have to agree, they were sold to you too young. I wouldnt sell any of our unless they were atleast 6 weeks and healthy. I may be a little behind here, but did she EVER have a healthy appetite for you? Does she bask at all?

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