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View Poll Results: Do you practise line breeding (aka. inbreeding)?
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Yes. Inbreeding only hurts people in my opinion
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Sometimes if I need some extra cash from a clutch
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Never! I realize the genetic pool of captive herps is restricted enough as is
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I don't breed animals.
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06-11-2007, 03:11 AM
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Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
Do you inbreed your reptiles to make their kids look prettier?
I'm a definate NO. I go out of my way to avoid breeders who do this and I breed different looking ones to make my babies healthier in the long run.
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06-11-2007, 03:22 AM
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
I voted yes for this poll, their are few good grounds for Linebreeding an without such practice many morphs of snakes and other reptiles would not have been possible. Mice have been line breed for up to 30 generations. Reptiles with the proper care can be and have for just as many. One I only line breed for line trait morphs (ie. Bloodred, Okeetee, ext.) and only till the F4 generation before outcrossing to a unrealted snake (perferibly WC). When done properly the reptiles show no problems.
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06-11-2007, 09:56 AM
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
Line breeding, or selective breeding, doesn't mean you have to inbreed.
You can introduce a new bloodline that has the same traits you are breeding for. If you were breeding corns or leopard geckos for a specific trait, you can easily keep that trait clean and thriving by holding back your best looking offspring, and then purchasing another breeder from someone else that has the traits or charecteristics you are breeding for. If you keep your breeding groups separated, you can then take the offspring from those breedings and breed them against the offspring from the other groups.
This method of line breeding will allow you to keep the trait clean, but also to keep the trait strong and improving.
I chose no as I don't inbreed.
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
Yea what Rich said, lol.
I also dont inbreed.
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
that was an easy one for me, lol. I dont breed.
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
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Originally Posted by Rich
Line breeding, or selective breeding, doesn't mean you have to inbreed.
You can introduce a new bloodline that has the same traits you are breeding for. If you were breeding corns or leopard geckos for a specific trait, you can easily keep that trait clean and thriving by holding back your best looking offspring, and then purchasing another breeder from someone else that has the traits or charecteristics you are breeding for. If you keep your breeding groups separated, you can then take the offspring from those breedings and breed them against the offspring from the other groups.
This method of line breeding will allow you to keep the trait clean, but also to keep the trait strong and improving.
I chose no as I don't inbreed.
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Point well taken, and works well on esablished lines but to introduce a new trait to a line a limited amount of line breeding is needed.
When first breeding opel stripe corns for example.
P1 lavander X amel. stripe
F1 Normal het. Lav, amel, stripe. X normal het. Lav, amel stripe
F2 Opel stripe
At this point I'd outcross to two unrelated animals
P2 Opel stripe X normal
F1 normal het. opel stripe
P3 Opel stripe X normal
F1 normal het. opel stripe
these half siblings would then produce fully heathy stock in the F1 Generation. Time consuming but safe and with minimal line breeding to introduce a new trait. Like it or not it's a needed evil if Designer traits are wanted.
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
Rich for the win!!! Anyways, some people use line breeding as a junior synonym for inbreeding to make them sound less monstrous to people like me (sorry titus, lol). I think Dog breeders do that mostly but I wanted to cover the bases.
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
I don't breed anything right now, but if I did ever get into it, I don't think I would inbreed the animals. I know it takes a few generations to start getting deformations in inbred reptiles, but I'd probably only trust that if I thouroughly knew the parents' backgrounds. Even then I'd still have objections to it, but they'd be moral/ethical objections, rather than whether or not the offspring would be born deformed.
I wouldn't have a problem, however, breeding for specific traits.
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
Ill do it. I was going to this year but didnt. Yes the animals can get effected from it. Thats how the spider ball pythons have a head wobble thing. Finding a pure animal now is next to impossible...They do it in the wild too. They know no diffrent really. I know dog breeders but theyve never breed back to the parents..Atleast we never did. Saw some messed up puppies from that mostly from mills.
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Re: Line breeding (aka inbreeding)
"Like it or not it's a needed evil if Designer traits are wanted"
-I concur. However, I avoid some of them if I can and when I breed I try to breed the inbreeding out of them. Why do we NEED designer morphs anyways? I don't understand the allure of animals that look like art.
Breeding for specific traits is not bad at all if done responsibly. It just takes longer when you don't inbreed.
Yes, inbreeding in nature does happen in most species, but it's limited generally due to the fact that there is large populations and the odds are against ever mating with a close relative.
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