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MBD - Leopard Geckos

Hello,
I am looking for opinions on the ability for Leopard Geckos to contract Metabolic Bone Disease.

I have been following a thread on another forum, where the vet has said that they believe that the Leopard Gecko presented to them had somehow contracted a case of Metabolic Bone Disease. I disagree with the vets diagnosis of the problem, with reason, but want to hear what everyone elses opinions are on this. Here is the basic information:

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I thought since we have been discussing the many problems that can arise with leopard gecko keeping that i would tell about a juvie patternless that i acquired in a group of 4 Leos that i bought this past summer.
This Leo was a baby that was said to be unwanted because it was represented as a patternless albino by the original seller to the person that I bought him from.
This did not prove to be true( he is a patternless-no red eyes) and he was included in the sale to me in the group of the four Leopard Geckos.
Shortly after I received him and had put him in his own Viv I began to notice that there was something very odd about him.
I could not put my finger on it right off- but his body started to look weird and then even tho I was giving him the same exact amount of calcium as all of my other Leopard Geckos-i noticed that he had developed Metabolic Bone Disease or Metabolic Bone Disease as it is commonly called.
I upped the calcium intake and unfortunately the damage seemed to have already been done and he has some very bent front legs.
I did not know as to whether he would survive but he has grown and sheds normally and has a wonderful appetite.
He moves around his Viv somewhat awkwardly but he is very fast and does not appear to be in any noticeable discomfort.
I would never breed him as I have no idea if this is the result of improper supplementation of him previous to my getting him or improper care of his gravid mother and whether it could possibly be passed on genetically.
This is my first and only experience with Metabolic Bone Disease in the many reptiles that I have kept/raised/sold and I was/am very upset about it because I feel so sorry for the poor little guy,
For those of you that have never seen what Metabolic Bone Disease does to the limbs(and it can also effect the spine) this is a pic of the little guy.
This is why a proper level calcium intake is so very important,
His name is Buttercreme
Here is the leo in question:




This is the exact thread I responded to as well as the image I responded to.

What do you think caused this? If you believe it appears to be Metabolic Bone Disease, please tell me why you believe this is possible.

If you believe that a diagnosis of Metabolic Bone Disease in this leo is innacurate, please post why as well.

I am very curious as to what everyone percieves this to be and why.

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I would say that Metabolic Bone Disease would be unlikley in a Leo that is given the adequate amount of calcium, but not impossible.

As I understand it, as in all reptiles, the animal requires D3 to process the calcium. As Leopard Geckos do not require a source of UVB then to aquire that D3 they must be supplemented, and obtian it from the food they eat. If the correct levels of D3 were not met then yes Metabolic Bone Disease is a possibility, but as all the Leopard Geckos where kept the same I would say not in this case.

I would have thought going on what you posted that I would be a genetic problem of sorts, one of our Bearded Dragons has a crocked back and walks funny but this is not Metabolic Bone Disease as again she has been kept the same as all our other Bearded Dragons.
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Hello,
The picture above offers more than the writing does. Metabolic Bone Disease is the inability to absorb/utilize dietary calcium. Crooked limbs, rubber jaw, etc. are signs of advanced Metabolic Bone Disease. Now look at that picture, and in conjunction with the story, why else would this be hard to swallow as a case of Metabolic Bone Disease?

(Joes note on the leo recieving the same calcium is one of the reasons I have listed, but it isn't the main supporting factor for why I believe that this leo is being misdiagnosed.)

Thanks for your input Joe. If you have more to add, please share. I plan on responding to this thread later on when I return from work. Both on this site, as well as the site where this was originally posted.

I greatly appreciate the input from those members on this site that would like to add to this thread. I want to see what everyone else thinks when they are presented with this type of situation.

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I can't see the pic, all I'm getting is a pretty white box with a red x in it lol
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Hello,
This was the response that I recieved after inquiring about the vets diagnosis of this ailment. As you may have noticed, the above post was her diagnosis. This is what she writes:

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Sorry that it took me so long to get back to this-
Anyway- My vet has been in contact on this matter with a herp vet from the University of IL. at Urbana and they agreed that it was the beginning of Metabolic Bone Disease . Treatment drawn from from examining him was that he be given extra pure powdered calcium carbonate-since he is eating and active and that because my finances are dismally low at this time-we by passed any blood work and x-rays.

He is responding well to the increased calcium and while he will never have normal front legs again-the diagnosis is that he should be able to live a healthy normal life.
There is no other apparent deformity(from a visual examination) other than what is evident in his front leg joints or his wrists as I call them.
He has no paralysis-moves quickly and freely around his viv.
I have not seen any tremors or seizures and he tested neg. for parasites.
His appetite is great and he hunts crickets with great accuracy.
His sheds have been normal
Of course I would never consider using him as a breeder so he will spend his life in his own viv which he seams to be quite content with.
As I said previously-I have never in my 10 years of herp keeping ever experienced a case of Metabolic Bone Disease in any of my reptiles and I most certainly hope that I never see it again.

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Sorry I can't be more insightful, but I find it hard to believe that Metabolic Bone Disease is the problem as I have never heard of a case of a leo having it before. I can't see the pic either for some reason (stupid works computer ) so I'm only going on what has been written.
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I can see the pic and the thing that seems quite worrying is the apparently regurgitated or undigested meal worms? Or are they just meal worms that have not yet been eaten? >is that the thing you were pointing at when talking about the pic Rich?

Could be a genetic abnormality??
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Honestly Rich, I would agree with the Metabolic Bone Disease...I have recently adopted my aunts 2 female Leopard Geckos, one of which is absolutely fine and the other has slightly crooked front legs like the pic you are showing. She never dusted crix or provided a calcium bowl (they dove into it when I put one in their enclosure). While she eats fine, and is fat and sassy, she has a prob with her front legs and prolly will never be normal. She is about 2 yrs old. Thats what I can offer....Lyn
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The leo in question looks to young to have got Metabolic Bone Disease in such a short time, I think its a genetic defect too..

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Are you suggesting, Rich, from the mealworms in the pic, that the damage could be from paralysis, from too big or the wrong food items?
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