These my two amel cornsnakes, Edna and Lilo, They were both hatched on the 17th May 2006.
Lilo was slow starter so therefore is a lot smaller than Edna.
Edna is in eccess of 3' and weighs around 290grms.
Lilo is about 27" and weighs only 105grms.
Not very good photo's but I think it shows the difference in size??







RBL

It's not uncommon. I have 5 2006 corns right now and two are much lager than the others, growth rates can very as much as the end size of corns. Feeding can play a part sometimes I also notic that my males grow somewhat faster. Also from what I can see you have actually a Creamsicle Corn, an intergrade thats bred from a P. guttaus x P. emoryi (P.emoryi used to be known as a subspp. of Guttaus).

You can mostlikely expect then to be on the larger side of cornsnakes due to the P. emoryi blood. All in all there's no reason to worry, You have very nice and heathy looking corns. Keep up the good work.

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And with the variety of genetic material found in corns there is plenty of room for size differences anyways. Just like humans not all siblings will grow at the same rate or be the same size.
I remember seeing a picture of two sibling burmese pythons that were on the same temperature, feeding, schedule, etc. One was half the length of the other!.

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Merlin,
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Hello,

I was also going to comment on the snakes genetics in reference to its size. Don't be surprised if in the long run, the smaller of the 2 catches up or even surpasses the larger one.

Your example is exactly why it is almost impossible to determine the age of a reptile based on its size. Thanks for sharing!

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Thanks for your replies.
I just wondered if they would end up the same size, more or less.

So do you think just the one is a hybrid or both of them??
They are actually amel corns, there is no rat in them, they come from a very well respected and well known UK breeder. He has bred corns for over 30years. I can refer back to him and find out what their parents actually were but I'm sure it was a classic (carolina) male in excess of 6ft in length and an amel female around 5ft in length.

Here is a pic of an amel hatchling to compare them to.




RBL

You never can tell what is going to happen, even with the same genetics. They could end up being the same size, or one could be larger than the other. And the size difference could go either way.

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Thanks merlin,

titus has suggested that they may be hybrids, which I'm convinced they're not, the breeder wouldn't risk his reputation.

I am now curious as to how you can tell the difference between 'true amel corns' and 'creamsicle hybrids'??
Are there any 'markers' that I could look for.
I trust the breeder implicitly but I will be contacting him again on Monday to make sure of their parents.

I've looked at pics of both and my two indeed look like some of the creamsicles but also like some of the amels!!!!!!

RBL

Since the creamsicle morph would be worth more than the basic Amel it would be a pretty good assumption that the breeder would tell you and charge accordingly.
And if he is as conscientious as you say he would tell you that the snake was a hybrid.

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I think I see black on both of them. I don't think they are creamsicles.
This is my cream. It looks different than yours.

Good looking snakes

I would put my money that they are both 100% Creamsicle corns, a P. Guttatus Guttatus Amel should show mostly red tones on white. As per the photos provided yours show Orange tones on white, also with age creamsicles also show fading of the saddles, this is very apparent in your photos.

In response to what the breeder stated some feel that P. Emoryi is still a sub spp. of P. Guttatus. Recent genetic testing has proven that their are substancal differences in the two moving P. Guttatus Emoryi to be it's own Spp. Though most don't think of this as a hybred but a interbred, as they are so closly related and even whats known as pure can have a shady past.

It's not a bad thing that they're creamsicles though most breeders keep thier emoryi bood corns from breeding into their Guttatus lines for the sake of Amels and other Guttaus morphs, but breeding in emoryi lines has also produced some nice morphs. It's just right to let the people who buy from you know that the snakes are from emoryi lines.

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