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This is what our member has to say: I'm glad to hear they are hardy. I was told by the petshop I got her from that they can and will EXTREMELY quickly... They ...


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01-23-2005, 09:13 PM
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I'm glad to hear they are hardy. I was told by the petshop I got her from that they can and will EXTREMELY quickly... They said that if something went wrong it would be dead within 48 hours.

About the lighting: I didn't mean to be confusing. I always think while I type and sometimes get ahead of myself and type confusing information. The heat light has been on 24 hours a day since winter started. We did eventually start turning the lights(Both types) off so she could sleep well. We turned the heat light back on, but must've forgotten the UV light. We only recently noticed the UV light was off, so we turned it on again.

Current Situation: At first I was 90% sure it was Metabolic Bone Disease, since the symptons were so similar. But now I think she may have injured her jaw. Its very flexible, and has now begun opening wider and farther back(all the way below her eye). She can't/won't close her mouth. She usually vomits when I drop water into her mouth... her tongue has begun hanging out pretty far, far enough that I can see the bone that helps propel her tongue(The tongue hangs limp at a 90 degrre angle from the bone). Also, her jaw sort of folds down when she tries to swallow. Its rather disgusting... and no one else in my family will feed her.

Thanks for the links! I'll look now.

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01-24-2005, 01:45 AM
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Metabolic Bone Disease causes weak bones. On my previous thread I said I would not feed my gargoyle crickets, only baby food and mashed fruit. The reason being because his bones were weak and his jaw might have broken if he tried to eat a cricket. Your chams jaw might be broken due to Metabolic Bone Disease BUT I am not sure. Please find a vet asap.

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01-24-2005, 07:52 PM
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She seems to be doing better now. She is crawling around a lot more. She hasn't hung her tongue out today(Except once and she pulled it right back in). She didn't vomit and one time her mouth was almost closed with her tongue inside her mouth. She did develop a rough dry patch on the end of her tongue where shere she hangs it out.

I think she was sick and fell and broke her jaw... Would having a broken jaw cause her to be weak? Inability to climb/crawl? And cause her to regurgitate her food?

Also, her jaw has been this way for a while, is it possible for a regular Vet to fix her jaw? There are no Herp vets within 8 hours of my home. So I am pretty much stuck with normal vets.

Description of her jaw: I first noticed it was opening to her left side(When open, it would be pointing to her left). Then she grew weaker, now her mouth is always open. It seems to bend downward(Folding) completely under her head. Her gums have either swollen up, or she has some type of buildup on her gums. I tried to peel off the build-up but it looks very attached to her, I think it may be part of her gums.

Hopefully I'll have the answer soon. She seems to be regaining strength, so its looking good(Except her jaw).

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Sorry I missed the rest of this thread until now - like others, I'm a bit confused as to how you didn't realise the UV light wasn't on. All lighting should be turned off at night to allow the animal a proper photo-period. Your chams health has been seriously compromised.

I would recommend replacing the UV bulb with a new one - diff ones need replacing after diff amounts of time, usually 6-12 months. You need one that emits UVB, and it can be situated outside of a mesh cage, since chams require less UVB than other lizards.

I would also strongly recommend a vet visit immediately - you need a qualified check-up, you are not able to tell for certain what injury the cham has, and it sounds like you need to re-research care, so that you are able to bring your baby back to full health.

Let us know how you get on, and good luck. I am praying for your cham, I hope it returns to full health.

P.S. Chams are not such a hardy reptile. Yemens are more hardy than others, but can still be easily distressed, and need the absolute right conditions and care in order to be healthy and happy.
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I hope I can get her to a vet soon.

I have a book on caring for Chameleons, although the section on Veileds is only 2 pages long... I was also getting good advice from our local petshop, until it closed. The new petshop is horrible, I had to teach them how to care for Chameleons. According to various sites and books I was taking good care of her. Then the new petshop closed for renovations, we had no access to crickets, she didn't have insects in her pen for weeks, she was only being hand-fed. Then, the day we got crickets(From a fish-bait shop) her jaw looked funny, and thus it was propeled into the current situation. Today I found her laying in her water dish(Don't worry, its very shallow and contains little water) with her tongue laying in the water.

Thank you so much for your prayers! I really appreciate it!
I'm gonna see if I can't get her to the vet soon, and see what the doctor says. I'm kinda scared that they won't be able to do anything for her(Already said they had no experience with Chameleons).

About the UVB light: I don't know how long it had been off, it could've only been off for a few hours or even a month... I honestly don't remember. I'm sure it wasn't very long, but I'm not sure. I'm gonna get a new UVB light when the petshop re-opens... but its been closed for over a month now.

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If you can't get one from a shop then I would order a UV light offline asap - it is detrimental to your cham's health.

Also, she sounds like she's getting worse. You could try your vet, even if they are not experts in reptiles, it is better than none at all, and they can do tests that you can't.
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You could try your vet, even if they are not experts in reptiles, it is better than none at all, and they can do tests that you can't.
They can also confer by phone with a vet that is more knowledgable about reptiles. You REALLY need to get this Cham treated or you are probably going to lose it!
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IMO, this cham has been forgot about for a while especially if you dont know whether UV light was off for 2 hours or a few months, and also the reference to no food makes me wonder too, I would of traveled to get my cham food if there was none locally, I check lights on my vivs every day and I have 20 vivs, and I know if a bulb has blown or not, it sounds like you are now too late, chams can hide sickness very well, and continue to eat, yours sounds too sick to do anything, if your chameleon is not even climbing its time to let the vet decide, I really hope and pray he does get better for you, but that isnt going to happen unless you get him to a vet...

 


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