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01-23-2007, 10:45 AM
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Putting a snake in a small tank will not stop it from growing. Thats a fallacy concocted by unscrupulous dealers in order to sell hatchling animals that will get large to people who have no capability of dealing with such an animal as an adult. And lack of food will stunt an animal but it will also keep it in a state of semi starvation and it will attempt to eat anything it can, including you!
There are genetic dwarves in snakes just as there are in humans. Sometimes its just a natural accident in the physical makeup. There are also varieties of snakes that have become naturally dwarfed due to an adaptation to the place that they exist in nature. For an example a small island with limited food supply is not going to support a population of huge snakes. If all there is available are a few small rodents and birds a 25ft snake isn't going to last very long.
The ones that survive and flourish are the ones that are smaller and don't require as much food.
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01-23-2007, 11:45 AM
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Nice!! There ya go.
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01-23-2007, 11:51 AM
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Constrictors Unlimited, lots of big snake people. They would beable to help some also.
Merlin is right a small tank wont stunt growth. Like saying a fish will stay small or a dog. Ive see 8 ft burms but I know they arent dwarf burms cause the people dont have the 15000.00 for one. You can "maintence" feed the snake where its just enough for it to live but not grow.
Me on the other hand, I want the biggest freaking snake, so rabbits and pigs here we come lol.
With retics theres several island locales that dont get big due to the lack of food, but they do stay around 12 ft in captive. then theres super dwarfs. which are really small compared to the others.
If there is such thing as a "dwarf" conda it will cost you alot of money for it.
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01-23-2007, 12:54 PM
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I will tell you what it seems like to me...
I have never seen a 'dwarf' Green Anaconda, if there was one someone like Bob Clark would pay a TON for it. It would not be in the hands of just any person in a herp society...
Now, when these animals are 'dwarf' and it seems like just a freakish thing (like this) you need to ask how this may have happened.
I think that it was probably an animal that was fed the minimum food. This can happen to Retics aswell, you actually see it quite often now with the dwarf trend. You see animals that COULD reach big adult size, but people feed only the minimum, which in my opinion is wrong. You get an animal, you should give it a gourmet life right?
Now, this isn't always true. There are dwarf locale Retics that actually do stay small without having to force them to. This may be the case, but like I said it just seems like it was brought on by him. You should ask what he feeds, what he fed, and how often.
Hope that helps
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01-23-2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
I have never seen a 'dwarf' Green Anaconda, if there was one someone like Bob Clark would pay a TON for it. It would not be in the hands of just any person in a herp society...
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Not necessarily true! Any person could end up with a genetic mutation on their hands. Some mutations are even found in the wild. Its just the luck of the draw. There have ben many cases of mutations just showing up in litters owned by just regular people. That is what started all these morphs we have now in the first place.
Granted if it WAS an actual reproducible mutation it would be worth considerable amounts of money if the right people learned about it.
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I think that it was probably an animal that was fed the minimum food.
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Again not necessarily true. Without knowing the circumstances it is unfair to the keeper to make that sort of statement.
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This can happen to Retics as well, you actually see it quite often now with the dwarf trend. You see animals that COULD reach big adult size, but people feed only the minimum, which in my opinion is wrong.
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I agree and not only is it wrong but it is dangerous. A starving Retic even a stunted one would be a VERY dangerous animal! However the dwarf retics that are being offered by responsible breeders really are dwarf varieties, not just mistreated.
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01-23-2007, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlin
Not necessarily true! Any person could end up with a genetic mutation on their hands. Some mutations are even found in the wild. Its just the luck of the draw. There have ben many cases of mutations just showing up in litters owned by just regular people. That is what started all these morphs we have now in the first place.
Granted if it WAS an actual reproducible mutation it would be worth considerable amounts of money if the right people learned about it.
Again not necessarily true. Without knowing the circumstances it is unfair to the keeper to make that sort of statement.
I agree and not only is it wrong but it is dangerous. A starving Retic even a stunted one would be a VERY dangerous animal! However the dwarf retics that are being offered by responsible breeders really are dwarf varieties, not just mistreated.
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I doubt someone like Bob would let ANOTHER dwarf animal pass him up and not have him by it. When animals that are usually huge are found smaller, everyone wants one.
About being unfair on my statement, I said this is what I think without asking the person. It is just what came to mind when a freak 5' Green Anaconda comes up...
Even some of the 'dwarfs' being sold are not what they seem. But that is a totally different arguement that I won't bring up. I just thought I would mentio what I did before because I saw it as somewhat the same thing.
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Guys, I think Sean has a picture of the snake that he took at a reptile expo this summer. She (I think it was a she) is a very gentle and sweet snake, Sean was carrying her around during the expo. When I figure this all out, I'll post something of my research.
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